*** {Phoenix Project BBS Message Base File 3 of 3} *** ______________________________________________________________________________ Copyright (C) 1993 LOD Communications. No part of this Work may be distributed or reproduced, electronically or otherwise, in part or in whole, without express written permission from LOD Communications ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {Internet Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Internet 8 - 31 msgs > 1/31: This sub. > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 24 19:50:44 1990 This sub is for the discussion of Internet. Enjoy... Mentor 2/31: people say... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Wed Jan 24 20:30:42 1990 It was stupid of the 'folks' that designed internet were stupid... But, As I believe, it was NEVER meant to be secure by ANY means... The security should be handled by the individual systems. From what I see, the main reason that I-net is so insecure is because the sysadmins are careless and lazy (I wont say stupid, because you can't be stupid to run a Unix system, just ignorant and lazy)... If they restricted access to I-net it might make it more secure, but then that would defeat the whole purpose of I-net... People also say it was stupid to implement the TFTP protocol, when actually, this was meant so that people could set up a "diskless" system and transfer the OS to it during boot time... The programmers might've made some mistakes while implementing it, but it was DEFINETLY NOT stupid! I very much doubt it would be in so many different versions of Unix if it was stupid! DS 3/31: I plan to talk alot on this baord.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Wed Jan 24 21:34:07 1990 problem with the internet as i see it.. On any interactivenetwork , in which various systems are "trusted hosts" o other systems... you are going to have the ollowing problem you can have 100 systems on a network, and 99 o them can be totally unhackable.. all you need is to get into that one, and then getting in to the other 99 is dead easy..! To make lie easier or users, alovely set of r commands were created.. which let you manipulate things on remote hots or your system... you can practically do everything you can do had you logged into the system, without logging in.. not to mention the 1000's o bugs in both the internet and the machines and their networking capabilities in general.. I still look it it like one big playground... :-) Phoenix 4/31: pseudo internet question Name: Guc #97 Date: Wed Jan 24 22:33:15 1990 does anyone know of any public access unix sites that i can connect to using tcp/ip? i'd like something legal. .s 5/31: well.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 25 07:29:46 1990 most universities/colleges do..if you go to one of them... else.. i dont know.. i have never looked at it from thsat point of view :-) Phoenix 6/31: internet Name: Silencer #31 Date: Thu Jan 25 23:51:20 1990 well...this may seem kinda ignorant...but I'm afraid I've never used internet... how the hell do you get access to it? Through unix you say...so ANY unix acct will hook into internet...or what.. .s 7/31: well Name: Guc #97 Date: Fri Jan 26 06:20:08 1990 ut will sell if accounts $5, w/ free cpu time and dirtcheap printing, but the only catch is having to be a ut student w/ id. i had one before which i got a friend of mine (who was a student) to get for me, but someone decided to narc on my and tell the system admins what i did. i heard somewhere that ut has some stupid evening classes that ANYONE can get into for like $45. and you get a regular student id. going to look into that today, if anyone wants to know if it works let me know. but assuming the above trick won't work, i'd like to get an account somewhere that is 100% legal. .s 8/31: internet Name: Guc #97 Date: Fri Jan 26 06:29:33 1990 the one i'm talking about is the network that connects thousands of university and other type computers together. the nice thing about it is that you could say have a unix account at MIT, you could call up UT and without any password connect to the site at MIT and login login with your account. hopefully someone will give a more in-depth description. oh and for those of you who enjoy using such things, try telneting to quartz.rutgers.edu and login as `bbs' . it has irc, tinymud, and tiny hell built into one account. kinda fun when you're totally bored. .s 9/31: Telneting Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Fri Jan 26 08:15:28 1990 I may be in the dark [again, blasphamy?!] but could you explain how one would "telnet" to quartz.rutgers.edu? What exactly is telnet'ing? Sic. 10/31: ut accounts Name: Ravage #19 Date: Fri Jan 26 12:28:18 1990 are open to the public, it is a state school and anyone can get an account on the machines. just like anyone can get a ut library card for $18/yr. 11/31: ... Name: Guc #97 Date: Fri Jan 26 15:36:57 1990 ...then how come unix consulting said that you "must be a ut student with a current ut id."??? .s 12/31: UT UNIX Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 26 17:28:30 1990 For Joe Average to get an account at UT it will cost 100/CPU hour. Kind of steep...but this will give you an account on EMX. For a student, you can pay a flat fee of 5 dollars (towards the cost of any printing you may do) and you will get an account on one of the Sun systems. This is what most students have done, as most of us don't have 100 bucks to blow! I don't even know how much time elapses in a cpu hour! There are a couple of public access unixes here in austin that allow for Bitnet mail, and Usenet...I doubt they will let you telnet around the internet though.. ->ME 13/31: CPU hour Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Jan 26 20:45:30 1990 well, the student is limited to like .05 cpu hours max on a single process on EMX.... There are NO austin public access unix systems that are even hooked into I-net let alone letting you telnet between 'em.... Anyone know of any x.25 unixs off inet that you can get an account on? DS 14/31: yeah Name: Guc #97 Date: Sat Jan 27 00:33:25 1990 it sucks down here. there are 2 pubnix sites, rpp386 <832-8835> and bigtex <346-2339>. You can't connect to either using tcp/ip and for the most part they only allow uucp logins. as for mail, i've know of *one* place to send internet mail from for free, and its okay, but its single line and has to go through pnet01 and cts.com before the mail even gets outside. plus it only polls for mail during pc pursuit hours. with all this factored together it ends up taking about 2 days to send to like mit.edu, and for comparison purposes (even though i know this is an extreme> i sent a 180line file from the if machines at ut to mit, and it took less than 10 minutes... as soon as i go to compuadd and pick up a new power supply, I'll sit down and read these uucp docs so i can get my own site up... .s 15/31: well. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 27 07:38:03 1990 ok.. the reason you can login into a system from a differnet system is as follows if on the system you are calling, there exists in your directory a file called .rhosts, and it has the name of the system you want to xcall form in it... you are then able to use the rlogin command umm.. a cpu hour takes a hell of a long time.. i have just discovered that my univerwsity down here charge 20 dollars a cpu hour.. and i have used that system lots in the last year.. still havent been charged more than 16 cents or something.. Telneting is the internet equivelant of padding around the PSN. it is extermely quick, and basically craps all over psn 16/31: i think Name: Guc #97 Date: Sat Jan 27 10:33:47 1990 all the stuff that they use is public domain, like the irc, tinymudd and citidel software. i'll take a look... by the way, does anyone know of any other ways to connect to the internet other than UT micom? they're making it damn near impossible to get off camps without an account. sux, you used to be able to telnet off of portal1.... 17/31: yes, but...... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 27 11:05:49 1990 If you do a find then it skyrockets and goes up about 5 cpu minutes a second! In one minute would go your $100 bucks! DS (It reallly depends what your using it for...just DONT EVEN THINK to run a password hacker on it) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ BTW, what/where is the FDES library (Is it not on sun,umax,HP/UX??) I know how to link it, but where is the library andwhat is its name? 18/31: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Jan 28 14:18:57 1990 ffdes is not a library... it is a redone function, called crypt... and it is damn good ! i was running about 6 crypts off my system at home, and am now running 88 asecond off my little mac ii macs dictionary hacking great! get lots o accounts! phoenix 19/31: umm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Wed Jan 31 09:31:46 1990 i anyone has any listings on which systems get zardoz, and are willing to give me a copy please let me know... i have the australian distribution list, but australian systems are damn hard enough to get into when they DONT get zardoz.. no sleep till zardoz... or so ive been told!! phoenix 20/31: Zardoz? Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Wed Jan 31 16:48:12 1990 Could you [Phoenix] describe Zardoz? 21/31: fg Name: Dtmf #27 Date: Wed Jan 31 22:31:36 1990 RE: i think Here at UTA the Ethernet server still connects about anywhere...I'll hunt up the address b4 I call next time... DTMF 22/31: ok.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:12:52 1990 zardoz is probably the equivelant of an elite hacking board.. only the exact opposite. it is a security mailing list which has all the top security experts in the world on it. Its basic function is to bring lovely security holes in various os to the attention of the security administrators. thelist is EXTREMELY restricted.. and becausde it displays all known bugs on unix and various other operating systems, the systems which generally recieve it are damn near impossible to hack. when you get root on a system.. look or it first thing!! phoenix 23/31: Zardoz and some other stuff Name: Mr. Slippery #72 Date: Fri Feb 02 23:46:38 1990 The Zardoz list does not put most bugs on it for a very good reason. ITs sent out using mail and various Internet and uucp sites get it. As it passes by in clear text, anyone with sufficient knowledge can intercept it (he he). For a good look at what is really in the Internet, find a copy of the book, The Matrix, and peruse it. I did not say buy it since it costs a lot but its worth looking thru the sections about networks in various contries. Did you know that there are no known networks in Albania, for example? 24/31: communist countries Name: Ravage #19 Date: Sat Feb 03 11:13:59 1990 up until recently only allow government agencies to use computers. even the academic institutions cant get modems, copiers modems and typewriters can get you busted big time, for the computers they have. for an individual to have a computer is until the last two years impossible as it was against the law. i send mail through gt-net to a guy in england who then transfers the files manually to a academic network that has a link in moscow. 25/31: _The Matrix_ Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Sat Feb 03 13:03:18 1990 is an excellent book (if you can affort it... get it). It is written by John Quaterman (an Austinite), and it copyright 1990 (came out late 1989). It is the most complete source of info I have seen. Daneel Olivaw 26/31: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Feb 04 05:54:31 1990 The zardoz list i got seems to have quite a few bugs, and enough info on the ones it doesnt specify as much to figure them out anyway... 8) 27/31: Yes Zardoz is definitely tops.. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Mon Feb 05 20:11:42 1990 But i've seen another one round back in the days when i had a look on internet... I don;t recall the name... might have started with M though. had great stuff in it.. !! no details, Par Jason 28/31: USSR Name: Cassius Cray #135 Date: Tue Feb 06 06:39:06 1990 Any of you ever really got connected to a Ruskie computer... Shit I aways thought they had nothing newer than the old 35 teletypes... If you can get there is the output in Russian or English? I heard of some hackers in New Jersey accessing a worldnet port to the KGB... Those fuckers will ice your shit ... Cassius Cray 29/31: hehe Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Feb 06 13:26:00 1990 told you to watch out for them cossaks par!! ok... there is also a security mailing list called Security-Misc which originates from a system called red.rutgers.edu this list is ok.. but became a bitmore public than zardoz.. and hence did not have as much information as zardoz did.. 30/31: Ruskies... i.e. USSR Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Tue Feb 06 17:38:35 1990 from some info from a person at CalTech The latest information is that most technology is stolen from the US (surprise). One system is expecially interesting. I forget the number, but it is based on an Amdahl. They copied a clone... how sad. Most of the systems, especially mainframes are in English simply because most people over there speak English (that deal w/ computers), and they haven't the experience to steal and modify. Daneel Olivaw 31/31: Stolen, yeah Name: Cassius Cray #135 Date: Wed Feb 07 07:05:59 1990 Yeah the Russkies have gotten shit from us in some pretty underhanded ways... I read where they got the design of the Fulcrum jet from models of our f-16 sold at any hobby store or K-mart... they took the models back and they had a scale version....saves a bunch of design cost... < Internet Q-Scan Done > _____________________________________________________________________________ *** {Other Packet Nets Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Other Packet Nets 9 - 60 msgs > 1/60: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:17:50 1990 This sub covers all the networks other than Telenet and Tymnet. Autonet, BITNET, USENET (yes, some of these aren't true packet nets. sue me.), etc. Mentor 2/60: Grumble Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 09 14:34:56 1990 Israel pisses me off. I decided to scan them. Everything is going GREAT! the response time is immediate, I'm getting all kinds of addresses, etc... THEN...they make the network REFUSE COLLECT from the US. So I get about 200 RCC's in my scan...I stop it, mad. Later it's working again. I start back up, happy. Then, they take it down again. I'm getting confused by now. Then, it's back up again, but the response time is LOOOOONG. My program doesn't like waiting, and therefore keeps fucking up. I dunno what their problem is over there. Are they still at war or something? Also: The datapac directory is going to be done soon. I still have to go and check some 2000+ addresses but I will eventually. Anyone know anything useful about the HUNDREDS of Terminals attached to the network? I'm assuming that they are dialin-nodes, but I don'tthink you can pad to pad them. At least I haven't been able to get on one when someone's been there. But I have millions of them... ->ME 3/60: Autonet Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Tue Jan 09 21:09:39 1990 Is there a scan directory available for this one? (Should I bother scanning?) grey owl 4/60: janet Name: One Assembler #11 Date: Tue Jan 09 23:16:45 1990 anyone got any systems/accnts on Janet? Will their gateway accept collect connections? OA 5/60: autonet Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 10 00:57:39 1990 Well, we've gotten part of autonet done, but they noticed the scanning and went a bit nuts (monitoring internal mail is wonderful). It's been 6-8 months though, so it might be time to start again. Mentor 6/60: Autonet & things... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Wed Jan 10 04:03:03 1990 Um, are you going to scan it from the local dialup? Or by it's DNIC? It's 3126, isn't it? I'm not too sure if Telenet lets you call it, but that would really get rid of that damn three try delay...also, I think 21221 resets the error attempts, so you can scan two then 21221 and then two more, ad infinitum... Also, Janet refuses collect...I'm assuming you mean the nua when calling from telenet...Or have you found a gateway through Tymnet? Janet needs a password, but it might only be for some woman named Janet...who knows. ->ME 7/60: autonet scan Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 10 19:08:07 1990 Scanning by dialup would be slow. That's out. I don't know if telenet is connected to Autonet. If it is, I'd scan it by NUA. Otherwise, there are gateways to it. (eg. You connect to an NUA which acts just like a dialup) grey owl PS: Can someone upload an executable NUA scanner for IBM or Mac? (Binaries please) 8/60: Autonet... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Thu Jan 11 13:18:39 1990 It woulnd't be such a great idea to scan Autonet through the Telenet gateway. Autonet raised a holy shit-fit when Urvile was doing it about a year ago, and sent Telenet Security all kinds of nasty mail bitching for them to stop whoever in 404 was connecting to their system. Telenet blew them off, but if it started again, Telenet might just have to listen to their whining and crack down. I suggest you (or whoever is planning on this) do your scanning through a main dialup. It will be slower, but probably safer in the long run. ->ME 9/60: thanx Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Thu Jan 11 18:06:40 1990 There is a gateway or something that goes to Autonet. When you connect to the NUA it acts just like you called an Autonet dialup. Would this be as crummy as scanning with the 3126 DNIC? Check out the DNICs listing from Daneel Olivaw and myself. I never knew that the US had that many pacet networks! Also, what's the difference between Telenet (3110 DNIC) and GTE Telenet (3127 DNIC)? grey owl 10/60: autonet Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Thu Jan 11 21:15:12 1990 The Autonet gateway is at 31341. The problem is, although it *acts* like a normal dialup, your PAD address is sent to them from your Telenet PAD when you connect. Apparently, the address header is attached to every connect attempt, because they went *nuts* when Urvile scanned 5 or 6 NPAs - they knew immediately it was from a 404 Telenet PAD. Mentor 11/60: Autonet Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 12 00:23:46 1990 Don't bother scanning it...Phoenix v:and m~ryself should have the network wrapped up in a few weeks... Look for the directory soon... THIS FUCKING i]LINE {OISE HAS GOT{TO kYqk]t~D!xD!w3{!!! /he{p /l{ q{_ga8!oku!ws{m{{ {/~rli {i]{_;z}?7aThis is the Ctrl-D Macro{o'+fJwT w3w,\Z[[{{>{ {x{qxD {{t(>~rxDf*MEtz{w3 { -t{>ME {s 12/60: ok.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 12 00:54:28 1990 yeah... wierd network.. scanned out about 15000 nuas on it so ar and it has the strangest format i ever seen... and i have seen a fairt few nets. Umm.. one good thing for it is that it is an extremely fast network... so yeah... shouldnt take much longer to scan.. Phoenix Jacking out.. 13/60: .. Name: Silencer #31 Date: Sat Jan 13 03:00:33 1990 Well...some of this may be out of sub but here ... Janet/PSS: I don't have any accounts....but from the main login you can access a help account and read some of the files available. There is one with an extensive list of NUA's reachable by Janet....and one that explains the entire system..how to logon....Account info..format...etc etc...good way to learn about the system.... Which brings me to another point....I called it through 51359 (Develnet) at the time. This was quite a useful little system... but now any valid command you type it will disconnect you..there must be a pass or something. But I tried a few random cmds and got the following to hang me up (valid).. Pad Dialout Devel Help When and If this system ever becomes available to us hackers again....we must explore these cmds......l8r - SIlencer/DFKN 14/60: DAMN !!! Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sat Jan 13 08:40:17 1990 Shit, i got drunk l;ast night and went onto that philippine sys..stupid admin came on and asks who i am... next thing i know i'm booted off and both acct's on the sys are gone not only this...but the fucking whole philippine net isn't accepting collect anymore (before it was completely down after i was booted!) anyway apparently someone there had enough of me. It might also have been the fact that i tried to login to the tdt2 system on it about 6 or 9 hours previoulsy to getting ripped out of my skull on Long Island Iced Tea. My apologies to you chris...and especially to scott! by the way kids...never drink and hack! Par Jason 15/60: janet Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 13 16:53:46 1990 what is the NUA for janet? (So i can login with the help account and read about it)? 16/60: drink and hack Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Jan 13 17:31:18 1990 I thought the proverb was "Never drink beer and program at the same time." In the miscelaneous NUA file I u/led there are some DPAC NUAs that give you a list of all the outdials in Canada. Helpful, huh? Does anyone know the new NUA for Develnet? grey owl 17/60: if you drink and hack.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 13 21:05:00 1990 I can occasionally turn up with better results.... imiganition runs wild.. 18/60: Stuff Name: Gary Seven #38 Date: Mon Jan 15 11:12:28 1990 The NUA for the Janet net is 234223519xxx. Anybody have a Net scanner for the Apple? Later. 19/60: Autonet help Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Tue Jan 16 00:25:55 1990 Been needing help hacking autonet? Need you're local dialup? here's the sys to consult dialup autonet: (if u don't have a dilup) Use: 212-947-1xxx or 212-629-5xxx after connect hit twice. then type 1300,7777 Password is AID system is menu driven and has lots o handy stuff online (sucks compared to telenet's phones/phones but it's still usefull NOTE: to all FEDS this is public info Thank you, Your COMRADE, bahahahaah Par Jason 20/60: Autonet... Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Tue Jan 16 08:52:36 1990 or you could call 512-480-0xxx and login with "help". You'll get a WATS number to call and they will tell you what the dialup for your NPA is. grey owl 21/60: x.25 help Name: Lancia #37 Date: Tue Jan 16 14:58:43 1990 i was on internet the other day and using ftp i found what appeared to be x.25 software so i grabbed everything in that directory..is there any way these programs can be used to be able to pad off of the computer im storing them on??? 22/60: well Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Jan 16 17:08:21 1990 You can't modify it for pad-to-pad, but you *can* modify the X.25 software so that you can connect to any CUG by disguising your incoming address. Mentor 23/60: CUG Name: Konica #47 Date: Wed Jan 17 11:01:59 1990 Can someone explain CUG? 24/60: CUG Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 17 12:21:03 1990 A CUG is a Closed User Group. It only accepts connections from certain addresses or address ranges. Mentor 25/60: Janet Name: Silencer #31 Date: Thu Jan 18 06:11:44 1990 Gary Seven.... the Janet doesnt accept collect does it? I dunno..I called through develnet before....if you can would you call and get the direct dialup for it? .s 26/60: What is Develnet anyway? Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Thu Jan 18 09:11:29 1990 Since they had an easily found PAD in Canada that went down, and then I noticed another part of Develnet in Dayton that ALSO had easily found pads on it, there has to be another one. If I can get some information on their company and where it is based (besides Canada and Ohio) I might be able to track the next Develnet pad. Anyone want to help me here? grey owl 27/60: I think... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 19 01:39:40 1990 but I may not be right, that DevelNet, JettNet, and others are all owned by Mead...like the paper people, and whatever else they make... That's my guess...they are a world-wide (well, at least North-America wide) company...and probably do lots of business in Canada...and they are basd in Ohio, thus the Meadnet address there too...arg... Your guess is as good as mine... ->ME 28/60: minor Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 19 06:36:51 1990 just a slight warning... maybe stay away from develnet... it is being monitored quite quite heavily... but then again... what do i know...? Phoenix Jacking Out.. 29/60: Meadnet Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 19 12:51:38 1990 It looks to me like they think they can hide otherwise unprotected pads just by moving the address from net to net. Typical moronic security. Bloodaxe--when is the dpac scan going up? I NEED this. grey owl 30/60: Develnet Name: Silencer #31 Date: Fri Jan 19 18:16:45 1990 Hmm.. Would it matter if it was being monitored? as long as you werent caling from a local telenet dialup and you didnt give out yer number over the pad it shouldnt really matter. Anyway... When u log on to the 51359 pad it says something like Develnet somethingorother - SCL2 or some odd number.... Develnet only disconnects you when you type valid commands..When I tried this odd number SCL2 or whatevr as a command it disconnected me..I tried again to verify and it did again..I wonder what this command would be used for.?? - Silencer 31/60: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 20 07:54:21 1990 The way I see it, it matters as follows Anything you do through that p[ad is being logged.. that means any info you find or is given to you by others will be captured.. These systems will probably then get logged as well.. followed by which they will die... and eventually one thing leads to another... and people get busted... A general rule that i try to follow is that if i know something is bieng monitored... STAY AWAY... Prevention is seriously the best cure... 32/60: well.. Name: Silencer #31 Date: Sun Jan 21 05:16:30 1990 You dont seem to have any problem with calling QSD ..and EVERYONE knows that IT is monitored. Hmm?? However.. I agree with you. Now..about Develnet being owned by mead...I dunno.. What I DO know is that there is an NUA that I found scanning that connects you to MEADNET. Its in 513 too. What I dont know..is how to get the damn thing to work?! It gives a list of 40 or so systems ..but how do you select whihc one you want to connect to? Herez the NUA: 51331 from telenet... it accepts collect connections too.. if anyone can get anything out of this can you let me know eitjer here or in email? ...thanx... Also...does anyone know anything about LEXIS & NEXIS ? Looks interesting. - Silencer BTW: in case anyone would like to contact Mead Corp... their business office number is 513-495-6xxx.. 33/60: Connection Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sun Jan 21 10:16:11 1990 Well, the only connection is disconnection (as Gandalf would say ;-)) thats what i'm putting on my epitaph. THE ONLY CONNECTION IS DISCONNECTION... oh well.. maybe i'll take a few of the buggers with me when they pull up. Who knows? Later, Par Jason. 34/60: meadnet Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Jan 21 11:32:39 1990 k-rad d00d. Heh. 51331 is Jetnet/Evandale, I believe. In case you didn't know, logging on to 51359 and typing PAD would log you onto the Jetnet pads. This was useful as a front end to 51331 which didn't accept collects when 51359 was up. Got that? grey owl 35/60: lexis/nexis Name: Mr. Slippery #72 Date: Mon Jan 22 00:29:27 1990 These are legal networks. A friend who works at a law office gets to use them to do research on cases/precidents and the like. I'm not sure what else they are good for but with all the busts, maybe that is enough! 36/60: oops Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Jan 22 14:15:27 1990 correction: Jetnet/Evandale is 0311051300080 not 51331. I think 51331 is Lexis/Nexis or something like that. grey owl 37/60: Hey la Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Mon Jan 22 17:37:36 1990 When someone is in the US (03110), and is "non-collectable", how should I go about connecting. Strnagely enough, I can only linkup to other countries. Explain that. If you want, or if security req's, leave me mail. 38/60: A Pad Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Mon Jan 22 22:35:04 1990 might help.... Daneel Olivaw P.S. An NUI is good too... hehe 39/60: better than a PAD Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 24 19:18:43 1990 You could always call Pac*it+ if you don't mind MCI giving your name/number to GM! Get yourself a good fast outdial that will allows WATS numbers and call 1-800-727-2796. It works just like Telenet 'cept you leave off the leading 0 in the DNIC. (0208057040540 should be 2080...) It will connect you to any 3110 or 2624 address without a problem as long as the host is actually up. Don't abuse this from home. They will fuck you over. grey owl 40/60: Pac*IT plus Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Wed Jan 24 20:31:58 1990 it will also work with the 3020 (Datapac) DNIC DS 41/60: Hah, Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Thu Jan 25 18:58:00 1990 Just keep in mind they see eveyrhting you do. Believe me.. I know. Jason. 42/60: pacit Name: Silencer #31 Date: Thu Jan 25 23:54:39 1990 What does pac*it mean whenit says (or telenet or tymnet for that matter) Call cleared DTE originated. ?? Whats dte.. 43/60: dte Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Jan 26 16:32:16 1990 same as a asych port... when DTE drops, the connection's dropped. DS (Likewise, when you drop DTR, the connection drops to the remote) 44/60: anyone heard of... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Tue Jan 30 23:57:26 1990 nexus??? i was watching espn and a mention was made about doing a search through here for past bush speaches. does it have to do with public statements made in washington? is it public or private access? 45/60: make that espn cspan... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Wed Jan 31 12:15:55 1990 sorry. 46/60: pavc*it Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Thu Feb 01 06:59:10 1990 pac*it plus calls 03110..germany and spain..I didn't think it called DPAC. usefulfor scanning spain..but at this point......hmm I'd be scared ofwhat MCI i woulddo then GM... anyone up on Kinneynet?hehehehehe I'llpost the dialup later but u need a NUI for it :-(( Develnet? I thoughghht the Develnet was just x.25 server software! I've seen several Develnet pads and I had gotinto thesystems it connected to and they weren't MEAN related...maybe I'm wrong?(it was a modm company.) Needless to say I was pissed when everyone used it todeath just to see a pretty (canada)..the reason it diconnects is because of where you're calling from..if you call from canda u probably won'T expirence this problem....on the 03110 develnet..same thing cept you have to be at console...there are still somesystems availble from there that r open..here'Sone IBM <-i couldn't hack it so of course Iposted that one:-)) C U-->greets from [8lgm]corrupt 47/60: MEAD / Develnet Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Feb 02 22:03:31 1990 Misunderstanding: 51331 is meadnet. 51359 and 51380 are Develnet. 51331 has nothing to do with Develnet except that I was mistaken in a post a while back. Corrupt: do post that Kinneynet dialup..please! Pac*it is still great for calling those Telenet dialers! I mean...not direct of course. Heh...MCI sucks. grey owl 48/60: pac*it Name: Silencer #31 Date: Sat Feb 03 00:40:23 1990 hmmm......a few people have said that pac*it is gonna bill me for using od's from it. i dont doubt this...but i doubt i'll ever pay anything. Because..mainly..i never broke the law! I never enetered any passcodes or anything ..a ya know? all you do to iuse pac*it is call a 800 line..input a network address...and dial the number.....getting charged for that is the silliest thing i've ever heard...i'll fight em to the end on that shit.. - SIlencer 49/60: chargeing Name: Alter Ego #110 Date: Sat Feb 03 07:26:13 1990 RE: pac*it They MAY charge you for use of thier service... also some of those od's are meant to be payed for i.e. pcpursuit. So you may even billed for use of PCP's od's or both... Alter Ego 50/60: silencer.. Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Feb 03 18:39:21 1990 you can be billed. You DID break the law. Technically, you call their system and used it without their permission. Now, if for somereason they should go after you for calling a few piddley outdials you can just say you thought it was Telenet. They probably will let you off with a warning and some other little deals. If you were using it to scan...then you will be screwed. I wouldn't advise calling anything direct anymore. It's just too dangerous these days. The only things I call direct are Phoenix Project and Telenet or Tymnet. grey owl 51/60: kinneynet? Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Sat Feb 03 20:37:57 1990 umm KinneyNet:201-623-6009,6014,6035 there are more..most won't find it useful..you neeed a NUI but it does have exstensive help (for a PSN dialup) ..also..dunno where it enters the network..maybe one could..(if one had the time..)too see if you could..ahem 52/60: things... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Feb 05 01:07:17 1990 jesus...if you thugs are STILL calling pac*it plus direct then I genuinely hope MCI drives a nice new GM truck right up your sphincters. DOESN'T ANYONE LISTEN TO ME? oh well... also, kinnynet isn't hooked into tams, and all you need is an old id to get it to work, although you don't want to use it for scanning, as it hangs up after a wrong attempt (and after you disconnect from a valid host) dig up your old telenet nuis and use it freely...until they get smart and fix it. ->ME 53/60: well from the way I understand.. Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Mon Feb 05 11:36:32 1990 pacit*plus...is perfectly legeal to call and abuse... BUT ...not only does MCI get Detailed Report...EVERYTHING you do is monitored..so if you use it do something illeagal..they know... a good example is Doc Cypher...and none other than Par..(so you might ask him) pth 54/60: Bloodaxe... Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Feb 05 16:52:08 1990 I wasn't ignoring you that time you told me to quit calling Pac*it. I haven't called it direct since then. There are outdials that are nice and fast. Pac*it is a great little pad for my personal use and abuse when I'm outdialing! grey owl 55/60: There is a new network Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Mon Feb 05 19:53:16 1990 I am not sure of it... but I'll get more info... it seems to have dial-ups in most cities. Daneel olivaw 56/60: Yes well you can ask me... Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Mon Feb 05 20:19:50 1990 Yes you can ask me... And i will tell you...THEY LOG EVERYTHING ON PAC*IT PLUS! and for the people who don't listen and get into bigger stuff then dont say that i didn't warn you... also Doc. Cypher saw the printout they had of the MCI call detail report says it was like fucking 6 inches thick...he called it and it had his # approximately 200 or so times...so you can see.. if you called it a lot from home you caused a lot of problems for GM they are losing a lot of $$$ coz of it. they also like to see what neat little toys you play with over it. and if it's anything big, hairy, and scary count on a visit. Also: the fools who do use it- PLEASE don't talk to my on any of the chats... my= me i've got enough probs already with bein logged, i don't need more. Stay Safe, Par Jason 57/60: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Feb 06 13:27:34 1990 i hope this is only temporary.. but altos munich corner stone ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {UNIX Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Unix 10 - 69 msgs > 1/69: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:18:55 1990 This sub is for discussion of UNIX in all its myriad forms - XENIX, BSD, System V, AIX, COSNIX, and so on, ad infinitum. Mentor 2/69: ! Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 09 14:35:53 1990 Someone explain to me...for the benefit of EVERYONE...the wall and rwall bugs. I can't get anything to work, and I think I'm doing it all wrong. ->ME 3/69: WALL and RWALL bugs Name: One Assembler #11 Date: Tue Jan 09 22:35:01 1990 I dont understand what the diff would be between rwall and wall... in order to use the wall bugs you gotta modify /etc/utmp on the local system, right (correct me as i go along if I'm wrong). So, you would just either specify you're local net or no net for rwall. I heard the prob with wall t(and rwall is that you're fields get messed up in your passwd file when you do this. I was thinking instead pointing it to /etc/passwd point it to a superuser accnt (ie first cp /usr/spool/cron/crontabs/root $HOME/root then point your utmp entry to the file /usr/spool/cron/crontabs/root, because I wouldnt think that cron would screw up on any characters added{in,{as lon{yM t(as w3one line {ad the corre{t "*"'s and command fields. OA 4/69: restore bug Name: One Assembler #11 Date: Tue Jan 09 23:17:50 1990 anyone know how do get write permission to a file system thru the restore bug? OA 5/69: ok.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 11 03:56:08 1990 someone tell me how to configure cu so it calls out on x25... Phoenix ahem Jacking out.. 6/69: defcon Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 12 01:11:27 1990 defcon is not system specific... it is an invention of the realm, and was initially concieved by the force. The theory behind defcon was to write a program which would hack/scan/perform almost anything youwould give it. The results are quite astonishing... defcon can go through 50 vaxes trying 150 username/passwords on each in under an hour. It runs of a mainframe, so user does not need to be online while defcon is running. Todays defcon has deault listings for unix , prime, and vax plus more systems, does a default hack, and then any additional combinations you tell it to try. It will also scan nuas for you.. All up not a bad package. Phoenix Jacking out. 7/69: defcon Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 12 23:00:21 1990 Are you, by any chance, sharing defcon? grey owl 8/69: well.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 13 03:36:07 1990 not the soruce.. but i hope to have some sort of system worked out soon... Phoenix Jacking out.. 9/69: DESZIP Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sat Jan 13 08:43:26 1990 If anyone happens to have the program DESZIP (using the special algo to encrypt both the encrypted password and word checking, ) Let me know.. i'd appreciate to get a copy again! i admit the thing is huge but i've only got one more hope for getting another copy now.. any help would be appreciated Thansk, Par Jason 10/69: Piper... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Sat Jan 13 20:23:20 1990 who is supposed to be calling here soon... sent me Internet mail the other day...He should be u/l a copy of DESzip to my school's unix, and I'm going to ask him to set it up too, so we will ahve a base to use the damn thing from...I've been wanting a damn DESzip site for a LOOOOOOONG time. ->ME 11/69: AIX(rt, ps/2, 370) Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Jan 14 00:02:12 1990 In my normal, EVERYDAY life, I have access to over 500 AIX systems. What ways are there to gain entrance thru TCPIP, and once you're in, what are some bugs that will give you root? DS 12/69: try Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Jan 14 06:34:13 1990 try telnet, rlogin,ftp,tftpand heaps of other protocols... all will get you there... Phoenix Jacking out.. 13/69: try... Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sun Jan 14 08:13:09 1990 The best way is to tftp all of the address's for the organization you are looking at and snatch the password files. This can be automated in a simple shellcript which would look at/read the host table as sysn (assuming you're in one system already) and tftp to each machine in the table. Then do a "get" to grab the password file. This is where you will generally discover someone left an unpassworeded account. If there are SUN's connected you're really in luck because the security onthese machines is always left open, and generally they belong to researchers who don't know how or just don't give a shit ("why should I password all of the accounts?"). Anyway, once you've grabbed all of the password files (try giving them the host address as a name - makes it easier) run even a simple cracker against them and you're sure to get results. 14/69: I didnt ask anything about SunOS Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Jan 14 14:11:54 1990 I asked about AIX! 15/69: same same Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 14 14:23:25 1990 But the same principles apply. You must generalize out from a specific opsys... 16/69: ok...then... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Jan 14 18:40:51 1990 What are some systems (besides uunet) where I can ftp SunOS 4.0.3 source? 17/69: System Name: Captain Crook #36 Date: Sun Jan 14 22:45:58 1990 What is an ideal system to have Unix on? I can get discounts on AT&T equipment because I have 3 or 4 relatives who work for AT&T and Bell Labs. Price is a factor but not much of one. I do not want to get some piece of shit clone and use Xenix and all that other shit. I want a robust system with the works. 18/69: well Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 15 01:35:47 1990 If you don't mind older equipment, snag a 3b2 (or 3b5 or whatever). They're good, solid machines. I'm not up on the latest AT&T stuff - my hands-on experience was all on older stuff that they don't make anymore. Mentor 19/69: umm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 15 02:18:33 1990 just let me casually point out that ttp will only work on the older versions o ttp, which do not do a chroot. so there. Phoenix Jacking Out.. 20/69: You might call: Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Mon Jan 15 18:24:54 1990 Electrorep... they carry erverything, and have a nice 300 page catalog of all AT&T and Sun equipment... Daneel 21/69: well Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Tue Jan 16 07:03:37 1990 Mentor, AT&T 3B5, 3B15 and 3B20 are old dinosaurs being put to rest. The new 3B2/1000 line (models 60,80 and whatever) rock and roll. The 3B2/1000-80 is just about as powerful as a VAX 8600, which is pretty good for a machine the size of a SUN workstation. There Microline includes the 6386 WGS, which if configured properly (i.e., 32M Ram, 300M storage) can be a kick ass UNIX box. 22/69: i Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 16 07:38:32 1990 ok.. is a/ux supposedly 100% bsd compatible ? i heard yes.. and wsecondly... should there be major dierences in compiling source on bsd 4.2 compared to bsd 4.3 ? i havent heard anything.. but rom experience.. yes... clariication please.. Phoenix 23/69: I have never heard anything good about A/ux Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Tue Jan 16 08:55:22 1990 Maybe I just don't run with the right circles, but I took Macworld and MacUser for several years (subs. just ran out a few months ago) and I don't recall reading anything good about A/ux. All I've heard is that it's slow and not fully implemented. I guess it's one of the few Unices (is that really plural for unix?) that runs on a micro...the only for an Apple. grey owl 24/69: p.cut Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Jan 16 17:08:57 1990 Yes, but they are *cheap* dead beasts - I can't afford a VAX! Mentor 25/69: Picture This.... Name: Konica #47 Date: Wed Jan 17 11:12:16 1990 I get root on a system.... I want to edit the login file so I can add a locin straight to the file instead of the /etc/passwd file. How would I go about doing this? 26/69: uhhh Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 17 12:22:16 1990 You want to put a trapdoor into the login program, right? You need to get ahold of login.c (I think I have a copy of the BSD 4.3 version) and just put a jump in it that takes you over the /etc/password check if you enter a certain string as a username. Mentor 27/69: Yea Name: The Dictator #43 Date: Wed Jan 17 18:45:22 1990 Yea..The Login.C (At least all the ones Ive seen) are extremely easy to follow. Either insert a jump to avoid the etc/password, or set up a varable to copare with the password you give to bypass the etc/passwd check. The Dictator 28/69: its amazing actually Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Wed Jan 17 19:47:18 1990 I was looking around some systems tonite and while reading someones mail I found out where to get SunOS source (on a recently setup system)... Just thought it was amazing that I've been specifically looking for it and couldnt find it for quite some time, and then when I'm NOT looking for it it just appears.. (As you can tell, this is not the reason i posted this)... So, I go to FTP the source for login, and guess what???? My passwords been changed. I think I know who, but I dont want to start an argument again (he already is in a bad mood for some reason)... You know who you are, so could you at LEAST change the password back? Related... I can supply source with a reasonable amount of trouble to anyone who wants it (ie maybe I'll encrypt it and let you break it--just to make sure noone gets it from me instead of trying to find it at all)... DS ps I dont want ANY replies in public posts about the person changing my password... (It WAS a COMPLETELY random one) 29/69: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 18 02:07:43 1990 i got source or most shit on unix... but i want to know why my login.c or 4.3 doesnt compile on 4.2 and then i want login.c 4.2 i anyone can help me ? 30/69: NYCENET.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Thu Jan 18 10:37:23 1990 is the New York City Educational Network. the number is 1-800-344-8280 31/69: Root Name: Konica #47 Date: Thu Jan 18 23:28:30 1990 If a freind of mine as a favor gave me the root shell on a unix how can i get the login.c source from the system. We talked about deleteing the original one and puting yours, but how do I check out his? The guy that gave me root probbly had a backdoor in it all ready and I want to check it out. Does anyone have a decryption breaker? As far as I know the /bin/login file is encrypted and I want to veiw it at least... And is their anyway that I can download (besides buffering) files from a unix if I don't have a unix myself? I doubt there is an xmodem protocal or something.. sorry for all the questions but everybody has to start somewhere... .s 32/69: Unix! Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 19 01:42:03 1990 I don't know if these are on the d/l's yet, but there are a few good UUCP packages for the IBM family. You can uucp yourself some files, if you want. I haven't gotten them off of here yet myself, but I'm going to soon, and when I get them to snag remote files when calling into a unix and getting into the uucico shell, I'll let you all knw how well it works. ->ME 33/69: ok Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 19 06:38:28 1990 finally got it... source for almost all unix protocols... ahh.. yawn and practically everything else... berkeley uni if anything... provides.. Phoenix Jacking Out.. 34/69: internet worm Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Jan 19 12:44:05 1990 Well, I see rfc1135's up... anyone have a pure text version of spaf's report? (Dont have access to a postscript printer for awhile) DS 35/69: /dev files Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Jan 19 12:47:44 1990 how would I intercept all information going thru the /dev files (ie /dev/ttyp0 or /dev/kmem)? Also, anyone know how to tap the LAN of a net to watch the info going across it? DS 36/69: unix ftps Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 19 12:54:09 1990 There are lots. You can use one of the xmodem packages available (call your local C oriented programming BBS) or get the UNXZMODM.ARC package. Zmodem for your unix. It's quite handy. grey owl 37/69: source Name: Johnny Hicap #45 Date: Fri Jan 19 22:23:46 1990 I have all sort of source files for BSD 4.3 but I am looking for soure for SunOS. Does anybody have any? 38/69: rn Name: Ripper #51 Date: Sat Jan 20 21:16:27 1990 OK....I use rn to read all the latest BS on the net, is there any way to bepass the moderator? Me and a moderator have a personal thing, and he's so immature he bounces back my message to others on the group (that would do go for everyone to see) with "HA HA HA HA!" appended. 39/69: sysdiag Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 20 21:38:28 1990 What interesting info can you do with sysdiag accounts(besides run the system diagnostics)...anyway to change it to the csh shell or ftp to/from it? DS 40/69: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Jan 21 01:06:02 1990 not much... sysdiag is rather tightly sewn up.. umm.. unwise to play with it.. coz it an seriously stu up a system.. <> 41/69: CARRIER SCANNER FOR UNIX Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Jan 21 01:21:01 1990 Anyone write a carrier scanner for UNIX modems? You could have 30 or so scans going at the same time if you had that many outdial modems DS 42/69: Hmm sysdiag. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sun Jan 21 10:19:26 1990 I think an old trick is to make sysdiag readable and writable by everyone. Then if you ever lose root. Walla. Later, Par Jason. 43/69: bypassing moderator Name: Mr. Slippery #72 Date: Mon Jan 22 00:30:49 1990 Yes, its been done and in fact, you have to know how to do it (sort of) to post to alt.hackers but if you do it normally someone will get on your case and threaten your system with getting cut off from net access. 44/69: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 22 09:26:57 1990 only problem is that i have never seen sysdiag with a shell phoenix 45/69: sysdiag Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Mon Jan 22 15:40:06 1990 It has the sysdiag shell (if you can really call it a shell) DS 46/69: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 23 06:53:01 1990 its not really a shell... it is the program diag youcan call it a shell as much as you can call something like tfp orkermit a shell... Phoenix 47/69: Ok. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Tue Jan 23 19:14:40 1990 Yes, but i mean if you have another acct you make the sysdiag PROGRAM Readable/writeable by everyone. then if you lose root you can use it to get it back. dig? Later, Par Jason 48/69: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Wed Jan 24 01:31:44 1990 whatever phoenix 49/69: okey-doke.. Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Wed Jan 24 12:42:26 1990 say I've got a question... ...and its on uucp, so before everyone starts jumping my case; and telling me how shitty uucp/nnucp is and tis worthless...blah..blah...saveit. I am perfectly aware of its limitations.. ok...after submitting a uucp request (or any request for that matter that uucio sets up); how can I IMMEDIATELY bump my request off the queue; and have it "executed" right then and there (if possible)...even as root, with the host time set at ANY; and flat out running uucio will not do it. I have tried cron entries executing uucicio once a min...etc..This is true even if the particulr entry in question is the only one in the queue...any help? pls answer thisone SOMEONE..its more a frustration barrier than a useful item..and its driving me nuts. also any encounters with AT&T sys V3.2.3 (or soon to be released 4.0)...featuring password shadowing, passable ENV variables between "security" programs ex: login..(for root only)...non modifiable ENV variables for restricted accts...blah..blah..blah..? pth. 50/69: uucp reqs Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 24 14:05:04 1990 When you execute a uucp request, getty is usually executed as part of it. Because of the slow nature of this command, if you execute it too quickly, you'll execute a second getty before ungetty has been executed. This screws everything up, and usually freezes up uucp until someone manually resets the tty's. If you want to do it, I'd execute the following: 1. Change the cron so that it isn't running uucico. 2. Kill off everything in the queue (uuqxt?). 3. Give it a few minutes to kill everything. 4. Queue your request. 5. NOW execute uucico. 6. Restore the cron. 7. Begone... Mentor 51/69: lovely bug.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Wed Jan 24 21:35:34 1990 which lets you get the shell o anyone mailing you..! coming soon..! 52/69: something i had a long time ago and lost.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 27 07:42:48 1990 umm.. anyone got a copy of xyz.c source code for unix ? basuically it is source for xmodem, ymodem and zmodem on unix. I could probably manage to do xmodem and ymodem but never zmodem so if anyone got xyz.c let me know! thanks Phgoenix 53/69: password hacker Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 27 12:00:56 1990 Anyone either got a patch for pwh.c to let it work w/ dictionaries on any system or a different password hacker that'll work almost anywhere? (Or maybe just on SunOS?) DS 54/69: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Jan 28 14:21:26 1990 to run it with a dictionary.. make the dictionary a file, and use it as a wordlist.. you will have to modiy the ARB_CONST to some ungodly amout.... then go for it.. by the way.. i got zmodem source if anyone wants it.. ill put it up here! phoenix shit i hate prompt security guys.. one minute ftp from 1987, next minute ftp version 5.84, jan 24, 1990 arggh! 55/69: i have... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Feb 02 23:18:14 1990 suid'ed chroot on a system... will it now be easy enough where all I have to do is create the /etc and /bin dirs and then place passwd and login in them (oh yea and csh)? I mean do a chroot to my home dirs and then create those directoriesm or is it a bit (or ALOT) tuffer than this? DS 56/69: aha Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Feb 04 05:56:25 1990 try it by the way .. anyone got sun source codes ? any version of sun will do.. need them rather badly.. 57/69: ok Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Feb 04 06:06:14 1990 password shadowing; found on some lbl system at ucb unix bsd 4.3 as i saw it, it works as such. you have your passwd file still kept in /etc/passwd, but all accounts are * out. eg root:*:..etc they all appear that way. now.. there is a file called master.passwd in /etc which is readable/writeable by root only. when a user attempts to change a field in his passwd entry, it creates a temporary file in /tmp , does the changes there, and then copies back to master.passwd this is how i believe it to work anyway. 򐏯 arg of course i will look into it further.. but i got a shock when i saw this, coz i was unaware thate berkeley were even considering using shadowing as security. for those of you thsat dont know, password shadowing involves hiding all the encrypted passwds usually found in /etc/passwd i guess they have finally realized what a mistake it was to make /etc/passwd world readable ;-) 58/69: I'll SAY it was a mistake! Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Feb 04 21:17:50 1990 That had to be the biggest mistake since pad to pad! I know of several password hackers that FTP a remote /etc/passwd and try out names for passwords and reversed names and last names and things like that. It's just too big of a security hole unless the passwords are created by a good sysadm. grey owl 59/69: Unix [ANY] Name: Captain Crook #36 Date: Sun Feb 04 23:03:20 1990 Does anyone have either AT&T System V 4.x? or ANY SunOS? 60/69: both ways Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Mon Feb 05 05:08:25 1990 nice trojans ------------ good security this works both ways....look-out for unixes(and VMS sites) that keep another copy of /etc/passwd (or sysuaf.dat) and everynite rewrite it over the one used for login(some any mods are discovered)..u can alternatly install some security inside likethis for yourself...(hide it in CROn) (or wherever u want on vms:-)) undersytand? I know I7m not clear:-(( but thats works for you sometimes and it'S sinmple if you know script:-) anyone here into Rapid Fire hacking? 61/69: well.. Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Mon Feb 05 11:40:45 1990 AT&T keep their shadow in /etc/shadow..which is readable nly by root...and they have allowed passable env var to such key programs such as login; passwd..etc...that allow the sysadm toREQUIRE that the passwds meet a certain format..such as 5characters+1digit+Special Cahr..etc.. i really cannot type today. pth 62/69: its a real bitch.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Feb 05 12:15:49 1990 but thank god for sendmail and fingerd, which let you read anything on the damn thing anyway.. ;-).. still.. it would be nice to have source to the damn thing.. and know what structure it uses to insert/extract the passwords in /etc/master.passwd or /etc/shadow. It isnt straight ascii with your encrypted passwords just sitting there, thats for sure! Rapid fire hacking ? ok.. seeing as i cant seem to get hold ofsun source code.. the problem i have is as follows.. login.c on BSD 4.3 compiles using quota.h this contains general quota info/requirment definitions for system. it doesnt seem to exist under sunOS. I dont think that sunOS has an equivelant... and i believe that login on sun works rather differently from login on BSD... so if anyone can help me out.. please do.. when i shoved quota.h on a sun, and then compiled it.. it compiled ok... but the thing crashed like youve never seen.. i spose whats needed is sun source phoenix 63/69: hah Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Mon Feb 05 20:23:54 1990 Yep DEFCON i'm sure could be the "rapid fire hacking of the '90s" Also there is a good example of pw shadowing on JOLNET in chicago.... it's public access... Later, Par Jason 64/69: /etc/shadow Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Tue Feb 06 00:20:28 1990 i got the format lying in one of my old gfiles (if I even still have ANY of my gfiles).. I'll see if i can dig it up DS 65/69: speaking of Jolnet... Name: Guc #97 Date: Tue Feb 06 04:24:07 1990 I have not been able to get a connect for days... it just rings and rings... .s 66/69: well.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Feb 06 13:28:37 1990 i am sure there is a simple c structure for it.. hell... there is a c structure for EVERYthing 67/69: hun:digress. Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Wed Feb 07 05:45:49 1990 Someone got busted forhacking JOLNET:-(( 68/69: Shit Name: Cassius Cray #135 Date: Wed Feb 07 07:07:22 1990 Know who? I thought Jolnet was a hacker board for UNIX freaks... 69/69: hmmm Name: Guc #97 Date: Wed Feb 07 08:48:04 1990 i never saw anything hack related there, but then again I basicly just used it for mail. .s < Unix Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {DEC VAX/VMS O.S. Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan VAX/VMS 11 - 18 msgs > 1/18: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:19:47 1990 This sub is for discussion of Digital Equipment's VAX operating system VMS (one of my personal favorites). Mentor 2/18: wait a second.. does this mean.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Thu Jan 11 18:35:41 1990 that i cant ask for help w/ rt-11? ravage black leather monster 3/18: DEC. Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Wed Jan 31 05:18:22 1990 question:..anyone know of a way to monitor port activity on adecserver? such as seeing thier connection to a host(andpossibly watch them login?) note:who has seen a xyplex? only seen 2 (one by US west) the are exaclty like decservers..no,,,better than decservers..and you can mod them easily...I find that SYSTEM,BRIDGE,ACCESS ar systempasswords forpriveldges..no SYSTEMis factory default..theothers are defaults for the competition but findthier way as the pass for DEcservers as well Corrupted? 4/18: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Wed Jan 31 09:19:45 1990 i believe electron tried to monitor other terminals on a vax, and failed.. but ask/mail him.. he knows more about it than i do. phoenix 5/18: Xyplex Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 31 14:42:10 1990 I've been one on and it does look just like a DECserver. I wouldn't have known unless someone told me. They are better once you get a feel for the different features. grey owl .s !#&$*# 6/18: monitor Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 31 16:31:02 1990 If you are on a VAX with decent privs, you can run a utility called "MONITOR" that allows you to see everything going across an Ethernet or X.25(9) link. Very useful if you're on a busy system. Just turn the buffer on and sit back... Type "HELP MONITOR" for details - even if you don't have the privs to run it, it'll give you all the info you need about it. Mentor 7/18: monitor Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Thu Feb 01 14:26:46 1990 I've got a Tower UNIX with a Beta(?) Test version of some PAD utilities... One of the programs is monitor... Any possible relation? DS 8/18: MONITOR Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Fri Feb 02 04:23:03 1990 Are you referring to the infamous promiscious mode instead? Where you set the Ethernet controller to record all the datagrams. I have a DEQNA ETHERNET users' guide in front of me, and this includes information on how to set promisious mode on. I imagine there are programs out there that do this...does anyone have one already written? PR 9/18: ? Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Fri Feb 02 09:24:07 1990 Nope, I was referring to "MONITOR"... but it wouldn't suprise me if monitor invokes a call to set promiscuious mode to ON... Mentor 10/18: VMS Manuals... Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Sat Feb 03 03:49:32 1990 I have access to a very recent system admins VMS manual. I also have access to his (lack of) brain(s). I sit down at his terminal, I don't know what his loginid is... I try his name, then I give the guys name as the psw, Im in... geez... -PHz 11/18: Which monitor? Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Mon Feb 05 03:56:00 1990 Which command is it? That does this....I cannot find it! Also, do NOT try (from SYSGEN) SYSGEN> SHOW UNIBUS or the system will crash! SHOW UNIBUS is more than a simple SHOW command...but don';t try it...just though I'd let anyone know who may be playing with any utils on a VMS. ANyone have any experience with the System Dump Analyzer (SDA)? I have found a lot of nice shit through playing with SDA analyzing the running system. PR 12/18: yeah! Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Mon Feb 05 05:11:00 1990 SDA? U Can Watch the type-Ahead Buffers..and Other Neato Stuff.. Can't you Define your sys$output as sonme_1 else's terminal ? so you can see what they Do? also..anyone have the VMS patch for 5.X systems? now that wuld shock me for 1990..make my whole year :-)9 13/18: SDA Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Feb 05 16:54:05 1990 How would I use this to my advantage? I want DETAILS. grey owl 14/18: SYS$OUTPUT Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Tue Feb 06 03:48:35 1990 I have done this, assinging SYS$OUTPUT to say, _RTA1 or LTA6:, and I am sometimes able to send things to their screen, like if I did a SHOW USERS, it would appear on their terminal screen. I did this in a room full of people with DEC terminals, it was amusing. Of course I didn't interfere with anything important, but it was interesting to watch peoples reactions! They would look around and wonder who the heck did that? one person somehow found out that I had my SYS$OUTPUT defined as his terminal and sent me a msg back. BUt about SDA, there is so much there... whoever said you can read the type - ahead buffers, can you give me some more details on this? I have only been working with SDA for about 2 weeks or so. Psy Ranger 15/18: Psy Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Feb 06 22:58:26 1990 Every VAX I've been on that has an ethernet or X.25 connection has had the MONITOR command. me 16/18: MONITOR Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Wed Feb 07 04:21:00 1990 Yes, I know the MONITOR command is ther, MONITOR USERS, MONITOR PROCESS, MONITOR RMS, MONITOR DECNET, MONITOR DISK, etc. etc. but I have not seen one that read the data....or were you referring to its analysis methods and not the exact results? PR 17/18: well.. Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Wed Feb 07 05:51:16 1990 pls..some1 get back 2 me on these 3 things 1)Monitoring ports On DECSERVERS 2)I have Attach to send stuff to other terminals..:-) fun ! but I Wanna Define there Sys$output to my terminal to see what they type-real time 3)I knowSome1 Knows Wether They have A VMS 5.X patch but there not saying anything :-)) !!..not tomention the new zealand BBS is down cause I Messed up the Patch Doing it by hand..:-(( PLUS[you know how I am about VMS secrets..some of U know anyway :-) I almost Never tell Any1 Anything! I'll do the sucker move and mail U :-Devery1 will know soon anyway! 18/18: monitor Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Feb 07 18:49:04 1990 You can set flags when you have it monitor decnet that will do an ascii dump (in 128 byte packets) of everything going across the net. I don't have access to a vax anymore, and seem to have lost all my old notes, so I don't have the exact command. Mentor < VAX/VMS Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {Prime Computers Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Primes 12 - 28 msgs > 1/28: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:20:22 1990 This sub is for discussion of Prime Computers and the Primos operating system. Mentor 2/28: Minor question... Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 11 03:29:53 1990 just referring to the &on quit$ function.. umm..i believe it drops user into a second cpl function when any form of break is detected... however - i cant seem to get it working... one i am using... but allows you to send a break before command is done is &on break but anyway.. Phoenix Jacking out 3/28: ! Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 12 03:00:14 1990 This is kinda interesting... I've been finding local primes lately.... Very odd...I've never really run into them off of networks, yet in the last five days, I've run into three. Prime isn't my thing, so I want to know where things are kept...also how to designate between types of files (ie: ascii & binary) to when I slist them I don't get a bunch of shit. Also, is there anything I should be keeping an eye out for? ->ME 4/28: Erik---- Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 12 23:02:11 1990 Which prefix are all these Primes in? Compuadd has a system in 327 or 328. I wanna find this one...heh. Bye bye Compuadd! grey owl 5/28: Do I have a Prime? Why, YES! Name: The Operator #42 Date: Thu Jan 18 22:43:24 1990 Recently, I paid a friend of mine to haul a Prime Computer to my house. It was real neat, but by request of the Warden (Madre') I had to get rid of it...It was busted anyway, so I found out, but I kept the manual...If I can get ahold of one of them page-scanners, I'll put it on disk and UL it...Lots of neat-o stuff... Oh by the way, the Prime was from my college..They tossed it out cause they just got a Vax 6830 and a Vax 8600...It's in a picture window, and frankly, my nipples get hard when I walk through the computer science wing.. Hitler sends greetings, Parhamster.. The Operator .s 6/28: Well... i thought Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 19 06:39:18 1990 that we werent going to get racist on boards... i would rather you didnt do it again.. 7/28: Uh, Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 19 12:19:34 1990 I think he meant his mother, not Adolph...she's kind of a nazi, if I remember Operator's stories correctly. ->ME 8/28: Oh Erik...Nah. Name: The Operator #42 Date: Fri Jan 19 19:50:07 1990 Ahh Erik...How quickly you forget! Hitler is my six foot tarantula! 9/28: binary files Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Sat Jan 20 00:57:13 1990 You won't want to slist any thing that ends in .RUN .LINK .SAVE .ABBREV or .VAR that's for sure. Also, don't try anything that indicates is a segment directory or you'll get a bunch of shit too. One thing about Primes is that if you do slist a bunch of binary stuff by accident you may end up hanging that comm port until they do a reboot... it depends on how they are setup but it is possible. Same thing can happen if you enter an application that asks for a terminal type and you enter a wrong one. Hey...instead of slisting files you want to examine just ED the file and P2 lines of it....at least that way you won't get a whole screen full of garbage if you get a binary file. Oh..... .DBMS files are binary too.... 10/28: &on quit$ Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Sat Jan 20 00:59:09 1990 RE: Minor question... Phoenix - Not sure but I think you need a &SEVERITY statement in there for that to work. I'll check around and let you know if you haven't already figured it out by now.... 11/28: not to worry.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 20 07:57:06 1990 i implemented a different trap routine... the &severity is usually required for &on &error.. not quit$ thanks though.. Phoenix 12/28: say... Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Wed Jan 24 12:47:25 1990 Why doesn't omeone go completely out of their way and teach me everything about primes?..I mean I suppose I really should actually learn something about them someday as many networks see it fit as their controller site...the extent of my knowledge is little crib notes I have scribbled all over my "primos" area of notes... Any one have any good recommended reading on the subject (be they files or otherwise)..any tutors (hint Pheonix) pth 13/28: primes... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Wed Jan 24 14:41:52 1990 go to the local electronic wholesalers and suppliers and find out who supplies primes ot oem and var's. then tell them you are an independant consultant and would like info on the systems. they will give you a lot of the manuals. i have done this and walked out the door w/ my little ranger pick up full. i like the fact that the memory is cooled w/ liquid nitrogen. 14/28: ok.. you talked me into it.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Wed Jan 24 21:37:20 1990 i havent seen much documentaion around or primes umm.. I suppose its about time someone typed something up.. give me a couple of days.. in the mean time post up here what speciics about prime you want to know.. they are awully big..! Phoenix 15/28: well Name: Silencer #31 Date: Thu Jan 25 23:58:38 1990 i'd kinda like some other defaults..or a better way to 'explore' the system.. right now i have tried cpl, netlink, tele, test, prime, primos, mail, guest, demo, and system.... with user id's and pass identicle for over 30 primes i scanned. none would let me in....am I doing something wrong..or just unlucky. 16/28: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 26 01:49:03 1990 primes never were the easiest systems to get into.. alot less bugs than your average unix.. and ewer regular accounts, like your average vax. Try combinations o Prime,primenet,primos eg: Prime, passwd primenet etc... Phoenix 17/28: yeah Name: Silencer #31 Date: Mon Jan 29 20:34:10 1990 yeah m,an..i have tons of defaults...try all sorts of combos of them...but i guess i just gotta keep trying eh... 18/28: hey! Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Wed Jan 31 05:56:57 1990 Here's wot I use[8lgm]? network Ninjitsu Hiiiya! admin cmdnc0 demo diag fam games guest help info jcl lib library netman netpriv news nonetpriv prime pr1me primos prime_cl regist rje student sysadm system telenet (or wot ever net it is owned by) test tools it'sby no means complete..and U stillprobablywon't get in most on telnete(usa) anyway./..but it like anything else..no garuntees:-)) any1 got some more common accounts to add? Net Ninjitsu![8lgm]! 19/28: hmm Name: Silencer #31 Date: Wed Jan 31 21:41:33 1990 i dontunderstand how ANY nua is owned by any network.. you know? like i can access most or all of the primes from telenet or pac*it or probably even tymnet if i had a good account...how can the prime be owned by any ONE network? Well....thanx for the defaults.... thats cool.. - Silencer 20/28: phrased: Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Thu Feb 01 07:04:20 1990 the context of 'owned' means not literal ownership ofthe DTE and host computer (although if U DID find aprime on another net it'S probably OWNED by the network itself..) by rather one part of the collective network weave..telenet would claim a prime in 03110...understand? soif you found aprime in France(02080) you couldpossibly try TRANSPAC as a login/password IDpair.... Net ninja[8lgm]Corrupted..HiiiiyA! 21/28: NUA ownership Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Fri Feb 02 22:50:28 1990 according to TP4 support at Telenet, the person with the NUA actually OWNS it... Telenet cannot legally give it out without written consent of the company. That does not mean they don't (hehehe), but they aren't supposed to. Daneel Olivaw 22/28: ok Name: Silencer #31 Date: Sat Feb 03 00:43:37 1990 ok.....thanx corrupt.....thats helpful..i never quite understood that .. So nearly ever NUA within the USA is owned by telenet...rich mutha fuckers...heheh.. 23/28: defaults Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Sat Feb 03 09:55:17 1990 anyknow what the default account for Prime Field Engineer's is? That might be a way in. 24/28: NUAs... Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Feb 03 18:42:06 1990 They are owned by the people that they are conencted to. Not nearly every NUA in the States are owned by Telenet. There are about 15 different networks that are NOT Telenet. They have NUA's too. grey owl 25/28: ahh Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Sat Feb 03 20:49:11 1990 but obviosuly were referring to an NUA within a Specified DNIC (which determines the net and subsequently the country it's located in) So your Saying in Effect the address (like a phone #..is owned by the company?..but if they let go ofthe account.(network Connection..()they lose the rightto that address.So it's more like....umm a co-oop!..plan! ss@ @@ .s 26/28: networks in USA Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Mon Feb 05 20:28:36 1990 Actually try more like 50 nets in USA. when most of the countgries in the world only have 1... it makes me feel at home! :-) Later Par Jason 27/28: hehe Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Feb 06 13:29:38 1990 well it definetely makes me feel home... 28/28: Nets Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Tue Feb 06 17:40:41 1990 Look out... coming soon... everythign. Hehe.. actually the USA is pretty nice for PSDN stuff... lots to play with. Daneel Olivaw < Primes Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {HP3000 Computers Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan HP-3000s 13 - 41 msgs > 1/41: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:21:00 1990 This sub is for the discussion of Hewlett-Packard's HP-X000 series (and whatever the name of that !@@#$%! operating system is...) Mentor 2/41: things... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Wed Jan 10 04:10:10 1990 Ya know, I have so many of the fuckers, I could scream. I want to use one of them for a pad. I know it's VERY possible, but I can't figure out how. I've dug around everywhere looking for something even looking like it's the damn tp software or something relating to the network, but nada. I was convinced that you could somehow use DSLINE with some kind of modifier to call back out, but that didn't seem to work. DRAG! Does anyone use the fucking things? Has everyone wrote them off? Hell, just think of the possibilities of never needing an nui again. ->ME 3/41: from what I have heard... Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 10 19:10:51 1990 HPs have been shunned to no end. I understand they are EXTREMELY easy to break into (if you call that breaking in.) Erik--did you try calling HP dealers and requesting info. on x25 software for your companys system? A little social engineering never hurt anyone! grey owl 4/41: extermely easy = understatement Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 11 03:31:31 1990 very veryvery easy to break into.. and even that is putting it mildly... All i have to say is that one o thesedays ill get round to learning the dmn system... but till then ... Phoenix Jacking out... 5/41: Funny... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Thu Jan 11 13:22:47 1990 Everyone has the same attitude...I can't imagine Phoenix adopting such awful American habits like putting something off until "later" hehe... As a matter of fact, I was just going through my Datapac scans and get into a dumb 3000... I don't think mrg.hpword is EVER passworded...some of the time the damn thing even has system manager privs... (so a listuser @.@ spews everything out quite nicely) I think what we need is EastWind on here to enlighten us on the finer points of HP-3000. Anyone know him personally? ->ME 6/41: x25 via HPx000?\ Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Thu Jan 11 18:09:31 1990 Did anyone ever find out the setup for this? (translation: am I going to have to find someone who can munge some X.25 code?) grey owl 7/41: Yeah Yeah Yeah Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sat Jan 13 08:49:34 1990 I'll try to get him to ring here. anyway...i've also got a friend in South Africa who works for HP down there He's offered me the source for MPE V and MPE XL trouble is it's all on magtape! and if anyone's got a fucking HP they can lend me maybe i could take him up on the offer anyway i'll try to have him ring here also.. later, Par Jason 8/41: he's Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 13 11:42:10 1990 Your friend from SA is on here... Mentor 9/41: defaults Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 13 16:54:28 1990 what are some common/default HP-300 accounts? HP-3000 even. BS 10/41: big deal...I know Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Jan 13 17:34:04 1990 I scanned an HP-3000 in my exchange and got in on the first try. This was my first time to connect to an HP. I never knew how USELESS they were. Can someone give my some uses for them? grey owl 11/41: MPE - The best OPSYS ever Name: Wiz #25 Date: Sat Jan 13 18:52:51 1990 MPE (Multi-Programming Executive) has to be the best operating system I have ever seen. If you have a REALLY smart System Manager,then MPE is one of the safest operating systems around. However, most SM's are brain-dead, and leave several loop-holes open. The TELESUP is a prime example. Try logging in to MGR/MGR.TELESUP/HPONLY,PRV/PRV - this usualy has the same priveleges as MANAGER.SYS, so you can do anything. If you ever want to get nasty with a system, and slow it down HORRIBLY, run a program called COLOSSUS.PUB/.TELESUP, or COLOSSUS.PRV.TELESUP. This is an awesome program, (the COLOSSUS part stands for COmprehensive On-Line Oriented System Stressing Utility Sets) - this program will stress the living daylights out of an HP3000, and slow the whole thing down immensely. NOTE: When you run this program, is will give you a "lock", and yopu must enter the key. The lock is in the format of a 6-digit number, and the key is calculated as follows: Take the second digit of the lock and add 4. This is the first digit of the key. Then put in any other digit. Take the third digit of the key and add 5. (Sorry, the FOURTH digiti of the lock). This is the third digit of the key. Again, add any other digit to make the 4'th digit of the key. Then take the LAST digit of the lock and add 6. This is the 5'th digit of the key. Add one last digit, and you are in! Assuming that the 6 digitis of the lock are ABCDEF, and that X is any digit from 0 to 9, then formula for the key is: (B+6)X(D+6)X(F+6)X. So if the lock is 108064, the key will be 4X5X0X - where X is any digit. Simple, but effective. If anyone is interested, I have the complete source code for MPE V G.02.04 (including all the sub-systems) on a HP7980A-readable 6250BPI mag tape (6 tapes in total), and the complete source code for MPE/XL 1.1 on 2 CD-ROMS. I no longer have access to an MPE system, but I can always try and copy the tapes at our local HP office if anyone wants them. The CD-ROMS I will NOT part with :-) If anyone has NUA's for MPE systems, please post. I would be most grateful. Bye for now, MPE Wiz PS: You can tell I used to work for HP, can't you :-) 12/41: MPE-XL Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Sat Jan 13 20:28:20 1990 I know I have at least three of those in my notes...I will look for them, but for now, could you (Wiz) please tell me if it is possible to use a HP-3000 for connections back into the network? This would be INFINITELY wonderful. ->ME 13/41: And then.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 13 21:07:50 1990 If the above is possible, and you know enough about them... how about running a multi line scanner and some other shit off them ? Phoenix Jacking out.. 14/41: good idea! Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Jan 13 23:22:51 1990 With multiple jobs and all available machines you could scan an entirenetwork in a couple days! grey owl 15/41: Don't know Name: Phase Jitter #3 Date: Sun Jan 14 01:11:36 1990 I'm not sure that this is the proper place to post this, but I noticed that someone was asking about HP-3000 defaults.. This subject allways seems to come up.. Mentor, could you possibly set up some type of databases for defaults (where you can enter and read them) I think that might be a good idea... Phase Legion o' Doom! 16/41: hmmm Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 14 01:22:17 1990 I'll add it to the list, right after fixing the Transfer section, G-files, NUA database, and misc. systems stuff. Mentor 17/41: Help! Name: Captain Crook #36 Date: Sun Jan 14 12:18:02 1990 OKay, I have 3 HP-3OOO's that all belong to military contractors. I can get into all of them (considering I used to work for one of the companies before) but when I get in some dipshit put an extra password PROGRAM in. So obviously I break out of it BUT when I try to get into the editor it says I can not do that in break. So here is my question, how can I snag ASCII files without going into the editor. cc 18/41: Hey Par! Name: Wiz #25 Date: Mon Jan 15 07:22:58 1990 RE: Yeah Yeah Yeah Hi Par. Your friend form South Africa was already here :-) I am tryinmg to organize an HP3000/MicroGX so that I can port all the relevant code accross to my PC. AAll the interesting utilities like DISKEDX, and all the accounting routines. If you have PM on any MPE machine, I can get the source for a program called GOD, which changes the users capabilities in the JMAT and user stack (which is where all MPE commands look for capabilities). I will also soon make an ACAD drawing of the MPE SYstem Tables maps, which is invaluable information for any MPE hacker. It explains the JMAT, User stack, all account,group and user indexes etc. Alternatively, I can try to scan in the MPE System Tables Manual, and post it somehwre releavnt, or I can just send you a copy? Let me know what you want. Regards, and phone soon, MPE Wiz. 19/41: Default MPE accounts Name: Wiz #25 Date: Mon Jan 15 07:28:03 1990 RE: defaults Basically, there is only ONE default MPE account - the SYS account, and there is always at least 2 users in this account - OPERATOR.SYS and MAGAER.SYS. However, for every sub-system that you install, they all reate default accounts. If HP-DESKMANAGER is installed, there is a new group in SYS, called HPMAIL, and a new account called HPOFFICE. MGR.HPOFFICE always has PM capability. If the customer subscribes to remote support, then TELESUP is created. This is a VERY useful account, as it has all the capabilities possible on MPE. Try to log on as MGR/MGR.TELESUP.HPONLY,PRV/PRV Other sub-systems lke HP-WORD, DS/3000 and NS/3000 etc, all create their own accounts. Talking about DS/3000, if the site has X.25, and you want to use it to call out, try typeing in DSLINE ENET at the : prompt. It should give you an @ prompt, and from there you just type in C nua to connect to an NUA. Hope this helps, MPE Wiz 20/41: DSLINE Name: Wiz #25 Date: Mon Jan 15 07:29:56 1990 RE: MPE-XL Type in :DSLINE ENET - this should get you to the system PAD, and give you an @ prompt, from which you type in C nua MPE Wiz. 21/41: ASCII files Name: Wiz #25 Date: Mon Jan 15 07:32:34 1990 RE: Help! You can use the FCOPY command and FCOPY the file to your LDEV. However, once you have pressed BREAK, you enter the MPE break mode. Just enter :ABORT and it should put you back into normal command mode. MPE Wiz 22/41: Damnit... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 15 17:34:05 1990 I knew DSLINE was the right fucking command... Why is it ENET? Is that short for something? Or just a truncated TELENET? Damn DAMN DAMN! All this time... OK...another HP-3000 problem... When you are checking files, and perhaps want to look at one, is there an easy way to discern the "type" of file that it is? IE: ascii, binary, etc... Any other HP help much appreciated... ->ME 23/41: Ok Wiz..will do. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Tue Jan 16 00:31:48 1990 Wiz whatever u want i can find.. I'll get on it and have Eastwind give me a sys with taht s/w u are talking about by the way everone..Dontcha just love this guy? Later, Par Jason 24/41: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 16 07:40:07 1990 he certainly has made hp areas clearer.. im damned surprised that noone bothered to igure hp's out though... the help ile is pretty good... i keep telling mysel... one o these days damn - got to ix that F key.. Phoenix 25/41: File Types Name: Wiz #25 Date: Tue Jan 16 09:56:05 1990 RE: Damnit... "When you are checking files, and perhaps want to look at one, is there an easy way to discern the "type" of file that it is? IE: ascii, binary, etc..." Yes - the command to do so is LISTF,2 - this will display the files in a full format, and after the file name, there will be a file type. All executables are of type PROG, text files are of type TEXT etc. I can post a full list of file types and what they mean if this would help you any. As a matter of interest - ENET stands for Extended-NETwork. It is the X25 extention to the DS/3000 or NS/3000 packages. Also, a neat little trick thast you might try, to run multiple sessions without the risk of having an LDEV hang on you, is to DSLINE into your own system. Eg, if your system is called "GOLD" on the network, then just DSLINE GOLD - then you can log on again, and if anything goes wrong, just press BREAK, followed by a :, which will drop you back one DSLINE level. Regards, MPE Wiz. 26/41: Hmmm Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Wed Jan 17 02:59:44 1990 Hmmm was wondering ... on an Hp i'm sure there is some way to spawn a child process etc. Mpe: how can i do it? and how can i do it using DSLINE? (so that i can multi-pad) Or is that not possibl;e? i know it's possibl;e on almsot every other sys... Thanks, Par Jason 27/41: Child processes Name: Wiz #25 Date: Wed Jan 17 15:10:06 1990 RE: Hmmm Jason, if you want to stream a child process, you have to write a little job to do what you want to run in background, and then STREAM the job. I'll type up a text file on MPE jobs, and post it in a relevant G-FILES section (is there one for MPE ???). As regards DSLINE, just type in DSLINE and the name of the system you want to connect to. I'm not sure if I understand what multi-padding is, so explain it to me and I will tell you if it is possible. MPE Wiz. 28/41: multi-padding Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 17 17:00:57 1990 It should be running more that one DSLINE at a time. Am I right or am I right? grey owl 29/41: Yep Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Thu Jan 18 03:18:57 1990 Yep GO when you're right.. you're right. tahts exactly what i need to be able to do.. and then to be able to pause each process. and switch to one of tjthe others. (Hopefulyy relatively fast) If u could tell me a little bit about this MPE i'd be nFDurFD8full thanks, Par Jason. 30/41: Shit - you got me there .... Name: Wiz #25 Date: Thu Jan 18 14:37:36 1990 RE: Yep Par. Shit man, you got the stangest requests :-) I dont think it is possible to run multiple sessions (interactive) from one LDEV (port). What you CAN do is repeatedly DSLINE into your own machine, but in order to get back to each parent session, you need to BREAK out of the current one, so the proccess is suspended. The cleanest solution is to write a job file to do what you want to do, and then STREAM it. MPE Wiz 31/41: does this mean.. Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Thu Jan 18 14:49:01 1990 Does that mean that HP's have no multi-tasking capabilities?! (Obviously I don't play in HP's) And all this time I thought they were REAL computers! grey owl 32/41: Hehe Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 19 01:45:27 1990 I was working on a file a while back on Hp's but was waiting until I could figure out a few things, which Wiz cleared up, but now I'll let him write one, as he's the expert (OBVIOUSLY!) and he'll do a much better job. But anyway, it started out: If Crays are the Lamborghinis of the Computer world, then HP-3000's are the volkswagen Bugs...there's a million of them out there, easy as hell to break into, and boring as hell once you're in! hehe ->ME 33/41: Yes of COURSE ... Name: Wiz #25 Date: Fri Jan 19 13:09:05 1990 RE: does this mean.. Owl, of COURSE MPE can multi-task - but you have obviously been spoled by Unix - you cant append an & to the end of an MPE command to make it run in background for example. But you can write background jobs, it is just a little more work than it is on any other operating system. MPE WIz 34/41: Huh Name: Wiz #25 Date: Fri Jan 19 13:12:33 1990 RE: Hehe Humph. May your face become a battle-ground for evil, smelly warts, and may you forever be condemned to lick a siphalitic whores arse for so insulting MPE. MPE is great, but there are just better opsys's around. If you want a REALLY shit "operating system" (I shuddder to use the word) - try DOS, or AppleDOS. Now THOSE are the VW bugs of the opsys world! Anyway, DOS isn't an operating system - it is a COM and EXE file loader - there s a BIG difference :-) MPE Wiz (offended!) 35/41: OS's Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 19 19:20:37 1990 I don't use MPE that much. Don't rag on MS-Dos tho! It's pretty good for a PC. It wouldn't cut the butter on a multi-user system. I am spoiled by Unix Wiz. grey owl 36/41: Woah! Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 22 03:36:40 1990 I wasn't ragging on MPE! Not at all, i was just "JOking" about the large numbers of hp-3000 systems around the world and the unbelievable ease in gaining access on one. Geez, read...MPE seems ok, just kinda hard to get used to. I mean, I'm in HUNDREDS of hp's, but until last year I didn't know what to do with them...so they just sat there. UNIX is just as lame security-wise, but On a percentage basis, I have gotten into 85-90% of the HP's I have found, while I've only gotten into abot 50% of the UNIXes I've found. (LOok at me grovel before one of the two HP experts I've ever seen...pathetic, isn't it?) Wiz, no offense intended towards your adopted os... ->ME 37/41: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 22 09:27:31 1990 i tried that networking stu and didnt get very ar ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {Other Computer Operating Systems Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Other Op. Systems 14 - 42 msgs > 1/42: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:21:46 1990 Here's where the discussion of op systems that don't have their own sub goes. TOPS, AOS/VS, etc. Mentor 2/42: Weird... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 12 02:48:11 1990 I hate things I know nothing about... 327-5023 Pollcat V.9 What the hell is this thing? I hate things like this...I can't even evoke much of a response out of it... 327-3346 Cooperative Computing... Another weird thing. It seems to always say invalid program group, unless you type S then hit return, and it says invalid syntax... I hate not being able to figure something out immediately. I usually just find things, and if they are uneasy to identify I hand them out for others to mess with...so expect quite a bit of crap like these on this sub in the near future... (Yes, I'm scanning 327...should be done tonight...Apologies to people in the Westlake area for waking you all up) ->ME 3/42: has Name: The Data Wizard #16 Date: Fri Jan 12 17:05:13 1990 anyone ever messed with a system called Fortune? You connect, hit and the screen clears and it immediately identifies itself as Fortune System, blah, blah, blah, and asks for an account. I have found quite a few of these damn things and have no idea how to utilize them.. Any help appreciated.. Later, TDW 4/42: what does this mean? Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Jan 14 12:01:53 1990 I found this system that says: System/32, VOS Release 6.6x, Module %primefax#m1 Please login What is this? Also, I found a system (probably a front end) that sends ~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~ ?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~??~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~?~ for several screens and the hangs up. Does anyone recognize this? grey owl 5/42: PollCat Name: Captain Crook #36 Date: Sun Jan 14 12:19:07 1990 Yes, I have many Pollcats that I have found after scanning. If you find out anything on them let me know. 6/42: OSL Systems Name: Captain Crook #36 Date: Sun Jan 14 12:20:23 1990 Anyone know how to get into OSL [i.e. defaults, logins, and anyother shit]. This OSL belongs to Bell Labs and I would be interested in getting in. 7/42: OSL, Please... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Sun Jan 14 19:01:44 1990 Those are some kind of PBX computer I think...at least that's what we all decided a while back...hell, maybe we were wrong... type OSL, and it will ask you "Key?" which is a password of up to 8 alpha-numerics... ->ME 8/42: That looks... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Sun Jan 14 19:29:25 1990 like a IBM System/32 (God.. I thought I trashed the last one.. oh well). Security should be weak.. real weak... Daneel 9/42: ???? and all that crap that Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Tue Jan 16 00:33:21 1990 well as a response to ??????#$#@$ or whatevr the hell went shooting across your scren you can bet that is an x25 dialup etc Later, Par Jason 10/42: Sintran Name: Gary Seven #38 Date: Tue Jan 16 18:36:19 1990 Anybody encountered something like this called SINTRAN? I have found by exploring this system that i am sure it links to a COSMOS system somewhere. By typing a certain command it will try to connect to COSMOS then it says something to the tee of You cannot login from this source or you cannot connect remote or remote is already connected or something like this. You might think of this as a folly but it really says the letters COSMOS. This is from Telenet. later 11/42: COSMOS Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Wed Jan 17 03:01:47 1990 Hmmm dunnoi Gary but i'm sure COSMOS can mean more than just the FD bell system.. For instance COSMOS is a program that Citicorp runs on their primes for their global systems on GTN.. oh welFDFDFD that probly isn;t mFDuch helpo tho :-( Later, Jason (Par) 12/42: All those ~?~? 's Name: Wiz #25 Date: Wed Jan 17 15:12:38 1990 RE: what does this mean? Owl - I get the same shit with my MNP modem when the protocol gets confused. If I turn MNP4 off, then this no longer happens. It seems to be a common bug when you have an error correcting link. MPE Wiz. 13/42: sht Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 17 17:02:25 1990 I just sold my MNP3 modem. It was a piece of shit but it had a redeeming quality (only one, mind you) that it could be configured (for a small fee of $60 dollars) for X.25, X.PC or MNP5. I wish I hadn't have sold it now that I'm into hacking more than I was... grey owl 14/42: I Name: Dtmf #27 Date: Thu Jan 18 14:09:45 1990 RE: what does this mean? I have run across quite a few systems like the one you described also...They were all in Gov't exchanges.. The ~? is something like ansi's feedback of a (try it sometimes at half duplex)...ANyway, at certain intervals during the screens are you recieving a 10-12 digit number? If anyone out there can describe the steps neccessary to login it would be greatly appreciated. DTMF 15/42: read back messages Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Thu Jan 18 14:51:36 1990 DTMF..we decided that the ~?~?~?'s were either X.25 dialups or forced MNP. I think they are MNP. The pattern looks familiar to me since I used to have an MNP modem. What I did was send the break string in an MNP connection, terminate the MNP on my end and then watch the trash the the MNP modem sent across. Sounds dumb...I know. grey owl 16/42: ?~?~?~ Name: Silencer #31 Date: Fri Jan 19 18:32:53 1990 Hahaha...well...I am almost positive that you are at the wrong baud...from MY experiances if a system is 1200 max and you connect at 2400 but your modem fails to 'downshift' automatically then it will display ?~?~?~?~?~? forever until you manually switch the baud with your software or whatever... sounds weird but its true. Can anyone help me with this. I found a local system to me in the PRE-00xx area that is 110 baud max and gives the follwng repsonse at logon. MONITOR RUNNING STATE REQUEST and then sits there it responds with ILLEGAL REWQUEST to everything I type..I tried everything...numbers words....all sorts of shit but always the same..anyone got any suggestions? - Silencer 17/42: ~?~?~? Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Jan 19 20:00:59 1990 You also get this when a system is attempting to determine your baud rate (during the time your pressing ) DS 18/42: 110 baud Name: Ravage #19 Date: Sat Jan 20 10:45:35 1990 might be a ttd for the deaf. 19/42: ... Name: Silencer #31 Date: Sun Jan 21 05:22:07 1990 to serve what purpose? like....will TTD's connect to modems? Beside the point..what would it be doing in the 00xx area of a prefix and what would it be used for? What kind of system could it be? 20/42: hmmm Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sun Jan 21 10:25:26 1990 Ok guys.. go into the telemail phones/phones acct and choose an x.25 dialup Call up the fcker and see what it gives u ok? don';t know if it's MNP because i'm not sure if the X.25 dialups could REQUIRE that every system have MNP ( and i don't think that MNP has anything to do with the X.25 protocol at all) oh well, But what do i know! Jason 21/42: x.25/mnp Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Jan 21 11:36:15 1990 They have nothing to do with eachother except that MNP is commonly use at the hardware link level with MNP running in software and sometimes hardware in addition. My personal opinion is that X.25 is enough and MNP+X.25 is redundant. I have decided that it is a forced MNP modem unless I can prove myself wrong! grey owl 22/42: ttd for the deaf... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Sun Jan 21 23:55:15 1990 well considering the rising number of services for the deaf and the fact that all equipment used by the deaf community must communicate at 110 baud, they consider it a standard, then i would guess that there might be either a private or perhaps a government funded organization that hs a dial-up for client usage. also they use baudot,which is also stnd ofr 110 baud, has something to do with the old ibm type teletypes. 23/42: VOS Name: Mr. Slippery #72 Date: Mon Jan 22 00:34:01 1990 VOS is a Stratus operating system. Stratus is fault tolerant; IBM resells them as System 88 but I don't know any technical details. 24/42: plus Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 22 12:35:53 1990 If you're looking around here in Austin, the Texas School for the Deaf *IS* local... Mentor 25/42: That helps... VOS Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Mon Jan 22 22:37:23 1990 Thanks, I keep forgetting about those Sys/88 machines... if I remeber IBM pushes them for brokers... Daneel PS What is the passwd length on a VOS system? Anybody? 26/42: pw Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Jan 23 01:09:47 1990 The only defaults that I konw of are AUTOLOG, NETWORK and AUTOLOG2 (same passwords). I'm sure there are more. Mentor 27/42: others. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Tue Jan 23 19:17:39 1990 Hmm others i have seen are CMSBATCH/CMSBACTH CMSBATCH/BATCH at least i think thats the same sys. oh wel. fuck it. fuck it all. Jaso 28/42: fuck that! Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Thu Feb 01 07:11:22 1990 I'm Putting My Foot Down.. Someone help me with ROM'S please? sorry..ROLM'S...what Exactlyare they.. defaults..ect... and howdo you programthem?(if possible) asI understand they run/configure a PBX.....more than interesting tomy ass :-) Corrrrrrupt..So feds..please think twice..would you jointhenavy if you didn't like the gravy and rice? Think about it... 29/42: ROLM Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Thu Feb 01 14:30:47 1990 yea.... Voice Mail System (ha)... A pbx w/ VMB features... Try #'s in the 512-823-xxxx area and mess around with 'em (IBM's 'reserved' prefix)... I've got some scan results sitting around here... I also have the # users call into to read mail & modify greeting... If anyones interested I'll see if I can find it again and post it. DS 30/42: ROLM Name: The Blade #64 Date: Fri Feb 02 13:56:44 1990 ROLM pbx's usally have a carrier in the 99xx range. This carrier lets you configure the pbx, which can be used for various fun things. The pw half the time is what it says in the upper left hand corner on the screen. (i.e. MEGACORP, TOMS HARDWARE, etc.). The Blade 31/42: IBM Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Fri Feb 02 22:51:39 1990 IBM's main number in Austin is 838... this is where most things are located.. there are numbers in the 823 range though. ROLM's are nbice, but they are wierd... Daneel Olivaw 32/42: damn... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Feb 02 23:14:23 1990 thought to keep it a secret (838 that is) to people round here :-) DS 33/42: Why... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Sat Feb 03 13:04:56 1990 it in the phone book... what I don't give out is the data klinms damn line noise I don't give out the data lines... Daneel Olivaw 34/42: but...its Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Feb 04 17:50:39 1990 listed as a normal prefix. DS 35/42: So... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Sun Feb 04 21:34:28 1990 everything is listed as a normal prefix... it would look odd if SWB published this: 870-XXXX LMOS System 870-XXXX COMSMOS Syste, The idea is not to publish them... it just happens if you think about it.. IBM has 7000 employees is Austin, and most have an 838 prefix for their phone, seems to me they own the 838 prefix.. Daneel Olivaw 36/42: ROLM Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Mon Feb 05 11:44:53 1990 well heres some info...ROLM was bought out by IBM in 1984...who then introdeuced the CBX..as in computerized brach exchange the the world. It is rumored (?) to be fully digital..but I have my doubts...and it can pretty easily be programmend..as opposed to AT&T 25/75 or sl1's...to set up private DISA's and what not.. pth 37/42: ROLM Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Mon Feb 05 19:56:23 1990 and then ROLM was 50% sold to Siemens (nice name) in 1989.. The Rolm CBX ][ is fully digital (at least once it digitizes your voice at the phone set), and it is a bitch to get a modem line on. I know this from experience.... however, on all the sets I've seen there is a RS-232C port on back of the phone, and I believe that it has a maximum bandwidth of roughly 56Kbps... I'm not sure, but I'll see if I can get docs from one of the techs. Daneel Olivaw 38/42: rolm Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Tue Feb 06 00:22:52 1990 yea... ibm kept marketing I think... DS BTW in the offices that require modems they install "analog" lines... 39/42: DISA Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Tue Feb 06 03:56:16 1990 I have looked into flicking on a DISA line via RMATS or similar... anyone have solid info on this? I have MITEL sx-100/200 manuals...about three manuals which describe everything on their system, including DISA features.. Psychedelic ranger Anyone ever find DISA lines that respond to # and * before you enter the access code (if it has one which most do...i remember a few years ago there would sometimes be 9-able PBX DISA lines on 800 numbers..those were very nice but naive. I know on some you can do # and * and sometimes get speed calling codes (like #9, #90, #x...x, etc.) AFTER you are "cleared" wuith the intial access code. But it is usually inconclusive to mess with the # and * bore the code, at least in my experience. PR 40/42: DISA Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Tue Feb 06 12:13:56 1990 I can get you anything you need about DISA's...I always make a # part of the paswd string as a "initiator"...so that an acccidental key stroke by a foolish "paying" custi=omer who has misdialed is not logged as "invalid attempt"..which would alert them of your DISA.. pth 41/42: Colgate ICCS Name: Landmine #86 Date: Tue Feb 06 14:42:27 1990 does anyone know anything about this type of OS?It requests a LOGON. I tried alot of things, but it sayes nothing but LOGON please. If anyone have any info on this please leave it. 42/42: ROLM PBXs again... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Tue Feb 06 17:43:17 1990 I was looking at the docs the other day, and noticed something interesting. There would seem to be a security hole in the mail part of the CBX (voice mail that is). It seems it only care what line it goes to... not who. hehe, could make for some interesting fun. Oh yea, ROLM on an oscilliscope is interesting. It does some digital multiplexing, so data transfers are limited (at least as far as standard modems are concerned). Direct digital is fine, just it the multiplexing screws up the analog/digital transmissions of a modem. Daneel Olivaw It's all in the timing. < Other Op. Systems Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {Computer Programming Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Programming 15 - 27 msgs > 1/27: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:22:57 1990 This sub is intended for discussing issues relating to computer programming. This does *not* have to be related to hacking/phreaking - if you've got a question about how to do something on a PC or mainframe, or have an interesting bit of code to share, please feel free. Mentor 2/27: MODEMS and Turbo Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 09 14:37:08 1990 How do I make the modem bark from turbo pascal? Someone send me a line of code that will just make the damn thing dial. That's all I need...I can figure the rest out. ->ME 3/27: Wel... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Tue Jan 09 18:28:33 1990 if only it were that easy... The problem is that there is no easy way to use the modem from Pascal, C, or any language for that matter. I have some good libraries for C, and I can get some for TurboPascal, but... you know how DOS is... Daneel 4/27: C Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 10 00:58:29 1990 I've got a short (10 line) program in Microsoft C that lets you send/receive to the modem. I'll dig it up and post it. Me 5/27: Pascal/modem Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 10 19:12:00 1990 If I can find it all, I'll put up ASYNC11. It's a decently documented Turbo Pascal Unit for guess what...async stuff. It's my first choice for an async driver. grey owl 6/27: ok... Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 11 03:33:54 1990 this should possibly be on unix but.. ill put it both.. how do i configure cu to call out on x25 ? i have found occassionally a prepared cu command and desperately need to know how toconfigure it myself, in order to get a unix version of defcon running... Phoenix Jacking out.. 7/27: what's.. Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Thu Jan 11 18:10:18 1990 Phoenix: What's defcon? (answer in the unix section) grey owl 8/27: o Name: Dtmf #27 Date: Thu Jan 18 14:13:51 1990 I have a short program in DCl for the vax that emulates the login sequence for my local college computer network. It traps the passwords etc etc. The only thing is, you have to run it on a terminal that someone else would be using. Is anyone out there familiar enough with devicae manipulaton on VAX/VMS 5.x to be able to instruct me as to how I should go about getting it on a terminal without actually being there? 9/27: JPI TopSpeed C professional Name: Wiz #25 Date: Thu Jan 18 14:41:46 1990 Since you people have much better access to pirated software, please could you all keep your eyes peeled for JPI TopSpeed C PRofessional? If you DO get a copy, please post it to me. If you get it I will give you my address. I can be VERY grateful when I want to be, get my drift ???????? MPE Wiz 10/27: I don't think... Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Thu Jan 18 14:53:38 1990 Read the info-file for the Phoenix Project. I don't think this board is supposed to be spreading pirated stuff due to the nature of taps (most likely) on the BBS line. I'm not condoning the buying of legitamit software, I'm just trying to look out for fellow pirates. grey owl 11/27: Ok Name: Wiz #25 Date: Fri Jan 19 13:15:04 1990 RE: I don't think... Sorry Owl, you are right. If I EVER get validated on Circus Maximus, I will ask for this there. However, if someone has it and can send it to me via MAIL, then this BBS isn't compromised, is it? MPE Wiz (hopefully) 12/27: hallo. Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Fri Jan 19 16:02:49 1990 Hey la. I'm a telelcommunications (primarily, aren't we all) programmer. Under PC/MS-DOS I write under TurboPascal and Assembly. Anyhow, I'm a fidonet programmer and sysop, and lal la la. Some of you might know me from the past (Tales Gallery). I wrote Criminis, which was never distributed out of BetaSoft form that would Randomly (Random-DBase, extremely good) search prefixes for carriers. Was going to write a Script hacker but got lazy. And probably will write a network scanner, if anyone gives me schematics on what it should do. TURBO PASCAL OR ASSEMBLY OR EVEN C PROGRAMMERS WITH A WORKING KNOWLEDGE OF FIDONET. I'm looking for someone to help me work on some code I'm developing, a new BBS software that will work under Fidonet AND UUCP and perhaps CyberNet (my own invention). If you're interested, contact me here or on 1:141/234@Sicilumm.Thorne Sic. 13/27: stuff Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 20 03:04:18 1990 Wiz- This board is so compromised that it might as well be run out of Washington. Assume everything you post is read by the Secret Service, NSA, CIA, FBI, and the security departments for any telco you can name. If it's any comfort, I don't think we have any South African feds on here. re: encryption Ok, I'm thinking about writing a short, downloadable program that will allow people to decrypt an encrypted mail message. This way no one would be able to see the true text if there's a data tap on the line. You'd call in, buffer your encrypted mail, and decrypt it with a prearranged key from the safety of your home. I could write the thing in basic so that it'd run on damn near any system (it'd be a modified version of my Cellular Automata program from the tech journal #3 - available from the d/l section). Any comments? Mentor 14/27: Yes - I've already written it Name: Wiz #25 Date: Sat Jan 20 07:00:36 1990 RE: stuff Mentor. I have already written an encrypted front-end to the Unix "Korn" chat for DOS machine, but I am in the porcess of making it a bit more generic. It is nearly done, and if anyone is interested, I will post it here. As regards South Africa feds - they are all so barin-dead that they wouldn't know what the word "hack" even meant. ^^^^=brain MPE Wiz 15/27: you could... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 20 10:27:40 1990 Make the whole board encrypted... Doesnt WWIV use just 1 routine for I/O? DS 16/27: ummm Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 20 11:53:23 1990 Think on that a second. If I encrypt the entire board, then either *everyone* knows the key (which defeats the purpose) or I have a differently encrypted version for each caller (wasteful). Wiz- Is this a DES-based crypt? I am suspicious of most common crypt machines. Mentor 17/27: umm Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sat Jan 20 12:17:00 1990 RE: ummm Well, what you might do is restrict access to all but the general board sectio n if the caller does not have the encryption. BTW, Mentor, I took you're cellular encryption method and converted that into a chat encryption program that will work over anything (except typing gets slowed down by 1/2 because before every encrypted character it sends a "%". DS 18/27: Yes - it has DES Name: Wiz #25 Date: Sat Jan 20 20:03:37 1990 Mentor. Yes - the new version now has DES, as well as a Vernam-cypher, and a custom encryption method I dreamed up. I will list the features below, but first one question: Will it be OK if the program uses the entire ASCII set (0-255), or do I have to add an option to mask all characters out of the range 32-127 ? If you want to know what ECHAT has, it can: a) Do buffered inoput and output, in a split-screen mode. This is usefull for the "Korn" chat, as quite often the text gets garbled when two users send a message at the same time. (This buffereing will be optional). b) Have a complete back-scroll buffer, up to 64K long c) Has a dialing directory, so you can dial from it too d) Has a two-way Eliza Parser, so you can fool the bloody Itals on Altger if you like e) It can filter out messages from specific users, and alternatively ignore/send a response/use Eliza on the user(s) f) USe Either DES, Vernam-cypher, or my own custom encryption g) Log everything to disk if you like h) Run in 43/50 line mode if you have the hardware i) Have a note-pad facility so you can make notes as you go along on the system j) Have several macro hot-keys, to save you typing in all the boring logons k) Supports from 110 up to 38400 BAUD, and has FOSSIL support l) Can use COM1-COM8, so it is quite flexible And as I go along, I add in all sorts of extra little bits which I think will be usefull. As soon as the current version is finished, Iwill upload it here fro evaluation. Unfortunately, it only runs under DOS, so all the Aplle/Amiga users will have a problem, unless I can get it converted for those machines. MPE Wiz 19/27: hmmm Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 21 17:15:18 1990 Sounds neat! I'd love to look at it. Mentor 20/27: This might sound idiotic... Name: Maze Master #92 Date: Wed Jan 24 22:11:46 1990 however, can anyone tell me what is the '$emit(.....)' command is? I found it in a source for a program written in C and compiled with Computer Innovations Optimizing C86 compiler. Later..... MM 21/27: CU Name: The Prophet #104 Date: Fri Jan 26 17:54:50 1990 Hm... To use CU fr X.25 connections, you have to specify an X.25 device (in the Devices file) as the outdialing device. -TP 22/27: $emit(...) Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Jan 28 00:09:16 1990 this command allows you to insert an opcode into the object file if for some unknown reason you don't have an assembler.... CI-C sucks, but that's the breaks.... grey owl 23/27: fortran Name: Corrupt #114 Date: Wed Jan 31 05:51:02 1990 in VMS..whats the system call in fortran...specifically for DCL..is it LIB$CALL..I keep forgettin' :-( Alos..I have some modem programs for vms in VAXbasic but I can't uploadanything cept ascii but ifyour in DIRE need I7ll do it at mylesiure... my space bar still is messedup protenatious dirt stains prove anethetical tomost fibers? 24/27: well.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Wed Jan 31 12:18:18 1990 i for one would like to see it. 25/27: yep Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 31 16:32:33 1990 LIB$CALL works. You can also assign it to environment variables... Anyone know where to get a used Microvax cheap? With manuals... Wouldn't that be a cool system? Mentor 26/27: well... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:51:38 1990 i will see what i can find. no promises. 27/27: Hal/S Name: Cygnus 61 #48 Date: Fri Feb 02 14:33:37 1990 I have recently uncoverd a Nasa programming manual and would like to find a system to progam in Hal/S. It resembles fortran in the first degree. MOst defense contracter that had done work on the space shuttle would have it but if you have seen it around let me know please. (damn 40 col.) Cygnus 61 < Programming Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {Social Engineering Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Social Engineering 16 - 27 msgs > 1/27: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:24:00 1990 This sub is for the discussion of Social Engineering techniques. For the novices here, Social Engineering is the art of extracting information over the phone (or in person) by fast-talking someone into telling you things they shouldn't... Mentor 2/27: Welp Name: Acid Phreak #8 Date: Tue Jan 09 18:01:26 1990 Just how "open" is this sub? 3/27: social engineering Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Tue Jan 09 21:14:58 1990 I wrote a short file about this. It covers everything Ithought of while I was writing it. I'll upload it. grey owl 4/27: ? Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 10 00:58:51 1990 Open? Everyone has access to it, talk about whatever you want. Mentor 5/27: hmm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 11 03:36:04 1990 In australia we call social engineering bullshitting... for some reason or other.. most hackers are good at it.. Personally - i only opt for it when all other options are wasted.. Admittedly though it is damn effective when used properly... I guess the best method is to simply prepare what you say before saying iut... not to go in blind.. etc... 6/27: ? Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Thu Jan 11 21:18:29 1990 Social engineering is probably the easiest way to get into a system (other than unchanged defaults). The stupidity of the average system or network manager amazes me. There's *still* some moron at WESPAC that thinks I'm a network engineer in Cincinatti - everytime I talk to him, he's happy to let me know the latest gateway passwords, newest systems, etc. He's bought into this for well over 2 years... Mentor 7/27: net enigneer in Cinci Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 12 23:04:15 1990 all I have to say abou that is JEEEEEEEEEZUS! Some poeple are soooo stoopid. grey owl 8/27: Mentor.. Name: Frame Error #5 Date: Sat Jan 13 12:10:10 1990 ..No way! You're still talking to that guy? I remember when we first started out scanning on WESPAC. Wasn't he the same guy who gave you the network access password to that GS/1>? I think the PW was 'rosebud' or something similar. What a joke. FRAME ERROR 9/27: yep Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 13 15:20:13 1990 Yep, that's him. Nice guy... Mentor 10/27: Switching Name: Gary Seven #38 Date: Tue Jan 16 18:40:29 1990 Ok, once you have bs'd the SCC number (Switching Control Center) for the Telco what kinda tricks on your line can you do. How do you bs a forwarded number? This might be TOOOO open so if you would like to help me send me mail for further contacts. later 11/27: asdf Name: Dtmf #27 Date: Thu Jan 18 14:15:39 1990 We always used the SCC as an easy alternative to CNA... DTMF 12/27: CNA / SCC Name: The Dictator #43 Date: Thu Jan 18 18:23:17 1990 You can find out a lot of shit from SCC about C or D orders, or anything like that on a subscribers line...its kinda funny. CNA or CN/L or CNA/L is so goofed up these days, that if I dont use SCC then Ill try my luck through Lmos... The Dictator 13/27: 800 Pots Name: The Dictator #43 Date: Thu Jan 18 18:28:13 1990 Anyone who has had any luck with the setting up (not the identifing) of 800 posts, please leave me some mail..I got some questions. The Dictator 14/27: 'Wunga Wunga' I hear them chant.. Name: The Operator #42 Date: Thu Jan 18 22:46:54 1990 Can anyone help me out in getting the official address of someone with a P.O. box without directly calling them and bullshitting, or physically trailing them? I tried calling the post office and telling them I was from G.O.D. and I needed a residential address cause we didnt deliver to P.O. boxes and the Mail God told me that he couldnt give that info out unless I came down with a form and ID and all that shit... Lemme know.. The Operator 15/27: Things... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 19 01:52:34 1990 Hell, if CNA doesn't work, call the Business office that covers the exchange for that area code. Tell them you are So & So from Whatever Bell, and that CNA doesn't have a current listing for a/c-nnx-xxxx and would they please check the name listed for the account. You will usually need to give them the CNA number to "Prove" you are who you say you are. This works just as well for non-pub's and they will usually give you the address and other lines at that address if you say please. (BTW: don't fuck up and call them daily and do it for a BUNCH of numbers...especially if you are after 512 numbers!) Setting up 800 translations for a pots is a pretty simple thing. You need an SCCS. That's about it. Real rough...I think you can even get a Nation-wide one, but you might need to be on one that controls a 5e...I don't know. Mark? You know. What is it? ->ME 16/27: . Name: Frame Error #5 Date: Fri Jan 19 14:59:48 1990 About engineering the SCC as an alternative to CNA - I wouldn't do it. Simply because there are many other more worthwhile things to do with the SCC than find someone's name and address from a number. Use the business office. They are usually more unaware of things like that. To set up an 800, I think you have to have access to a 4E toll switch. Correct me if I'm wrong. FRAME ERROR 17/27: .. Name: Silencer #31 Date: Fri Jan 19 18:38:28 1990 I think someone told me that the Uiversity (in 805) will be going up again soon with an 800 number. HAHAHA... If its true.. I think i will fucking explode. Thats hilarious. 18/27: 800 Pots Name: The Dictator #43 Date: Sat Jan 20 02:17:23 1990 Well..My problem is ... I have identified a few 800 POTS in my area... Im just having trouble thinking of the terminology to use when calling the SCC to set up the #. Usually when I have #s being RCFd, I do it another way... The Dictator 19/27: Legal Name: The Blade #64 Date: Mon Jan 22 13:15:13 1990 When you BS a bell office, say the res billing office, and extract subscriber information, saying you're from repair or whatever, are you breaking the law? If so what law? Can you get arrested for it? I doubt it, it's the companys fault if they give you the info.. Blade 20/27: try freud... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Tue Jan 23 13:34:32 1990 and it can get you busted. 21/27: well... Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Thu Jan 25 12:44:18 1990 Frame Error:...i assume that they are talking about "enigineering a WATS line into existance"...not actually physically seting one up off a DS1 (or simialr) toll switch ...(not that it cannot be done, but rather in that this is the engineering sub) Dictator:...I thought I had told you how to do it on atlantis or someplace? Everone: Please take whose-ever advice it was and save the SCC for "important" things...just about any inter-office/ field office has access to half a dozen system that can be used to cross reference names to address to billing address to Cable pair to feeder posts to ...etc.... call the LAC or Roadblock or FAC or RMA or RCMAC or whatever....if for no other reason that because the employees have a tendencey to be ALOT less TEchnically oriented and (no offence (sp?) also tend to be women..which I find easier to engineer...wheras I have never encounter anything but men at the SCC. PO Boxes: If you have a CBI acct you can specify a F- option which will print out BOTH home and PO address IF THEY BOTH ARE ON FILE (which they usually are)....or if you can get any other point from which to referance you can always turn to your RBOC... you know I really cannot spell... pth 22/27: Not Name: The Blade #64 Date: Tue Jan 30 13:36:49 1990 Supernigger has NOT been busted, just busy. Also, his computer is busted so he really can't call out. He will be here just as soon as he fixes his term. Blade 23/27: Does anyone Name: Alter Ego #110 Date: Wed Jan 31 07:10:11 1990 have any text files on Social Engineering or any tips... I would greatly apperiacte it... Alter Ego 24/27: I think Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 31 14:44:24 1990 I think I might be able to upload my file on social engineering. You'll notice that most of it is common sense, but not everyone thinks of _everything_. grey owl 25/27: RMA Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Fri Feb 02 04:26:31 1990 Hm. WHen I hear RMA, I think of it in the FACS context, that is Request for Manual Assistance, which pops up when there is a trouble in the automatic service provisioning flow. The LAC gets these RMA's, at least in my area. Shit, as far as having line info, that is everywhere, as Phelix mentioned...shit, QDN, ISH, INQ, /FOR DMLR, etc. etc... 26/27: well.. Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Mon Feb 05 11:49:47 1990 you are correct about the FACS/RMA relation ship but oft times RC/MAC is also reffered to as RMA..and not as RC/MAC. hmm..well i don't think that the COSMOS line inquiries or the LMOS are quite what people had in mind..:) pth (you know I had n=vowed that I would never use a cutelsy smiley face!) pth 27/27: DAMN! Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Mon Feb 05 20:33:06 1990 PHELIX!?!?! DAMN!!! Are you getting SOFT on us?!?! :-) Later, PAr JASON < Social Engineering Q-Scan Done > _____________________________________________________________________________ *** {Electronic Banking Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Electronic Banking 17 - 12 msgs > 1/12: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:26:18 1990 This sub is for the discussion of all the aspects of late-20th century banking such as Electronic Fund Transfers, Routing Codes, Automatic Tellers, etc. While some hackers have been active in this area for some years, it is only recently that it is being discussed in the mainstream. Because of the sensitivity of some of the information that may be posted here, this is one of the two subs (Drugs is the other one) that allows anonymous posting. Mentor 2/12: EFT Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 09 14:46:26 1990 I don't know why Mentor put this here, but I suppose everyone knows by now. I have a few friends who have worked in banks as tellers. The system I got a chance to look at first hand through him was weird. It was some big beast of a system, with each teller having his own telex terminal. Very strange. Kind of reminded me of the setup travel agents have. VERY weird. He showed me how to use it though. Hell, they trained him for a few months, so I didn't feel bad about not getting the hang of it in the hour I was there. Computer assisted banking transactions are not anywhere near as easy to perform as glamorized in the movies. None of this transfer from here to there with a simple keystroke bullshit. Banks are fucked. Everything has to be approved, verified, stamped, signed etc...well, maybe not all that, but there are a LOT of things to take into consideration, and if ONE little thing isn't there, the whole thing aborts...like, if one response wasn't letter perfect, the thing rejected the whole transation. I guess I can understand that, as banks do the SAME thing over and over, and there really isn't any reason to have changes in the data format. One nifty system I'm in in California will allow you to do all kinds of neato things. It's on telenet too. Lots of banks on telenet. One interesting thing is that the California one rejects when you call the main address...but when you connect to the right sub-address *BOOM* you're in. There is only one sub address that works too. Wild. Would have kept out most people. ->ME 3/12: ok... i admit it i work/soon to be worked in a bank Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 11 03:42:26 1990 true.. transactions are very very very hard to perform frfom remote.. First a system emulator would be nice... Secondly online transactions from front office terminals are only available during business hours... they shut down at other times.. only thing operating is atms.. and they use encryption anyway. Next you need to know pretty much how the bank works in order to perform correct transaction... all sorts of system codes... bank codes and a whole stack of other shit. Of course before any of this can take place.. a valid sign on is required... 99% of the time these sign ons are the employees salary number with the same password. But then there is the problem of each user only being allowed on the system once..between the hours of 9-5. So the solution ? I dont know.. i joined the bank to investigate such things.. and have done so pretty thoroughly . The only way i have found to actually rip off a bank has nothing to do with computers... so there... Phoenix Jacking out.. 4/12: ATM Encryption Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Thu Jan 11 21:21:10 1990 But most of the ATM encryption schemes I've played with were fairly easy - ranging from straight rotation to one- and two-table schemes. As DES chips become common, it will become more difficult - I don't understand why they don't use more robust encryption methods now. I mean, the one I did in LOD TJ #3 is unbreakable by anything this side of an XMP-1, and even that would take awhile. Single-state machines are the wave of the encryption future... The Mentor Legion of Doom! 5/12: hmmm ever heard of... Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sat Jan 13 08:59:28 1990 Ever heard of a three character control-character (stupidly phrased but i'm hung over) sequence for citicorps systems that drops you right in for maintenance? anyway heard it from some guy who used to work for them. he showed a friend of mine so apparently it's true.. only need the last character to the sequence. some day when i'm board i suppose i should try it. i have control characters 1 and 2... have to take a rainy day and try to find 3. Later, Par Jason . 6/12: ^E Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 13 11:43:56 1990 I know of systems that send your their TRW login when you connect to them if you type ^E... I hadn't heard of the front end hole, though. How do you know when you have the first two characters right? (Or the first one, for that matter... gotta start somewhere.) As far as Citicorp systems go, which type is it in? It's not in their VAXen, at least. Mentor 7/12: Mentor Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Jan 13 17:35:49 1990 who owns the ^E systems? TRW is fun for a couple of calls. grey owl 8/12: interesting Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 13 21:09:28 1990 master control sequence on citi could actually be useful.. I hope it rains soon.. 9/12: CITI.. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sun Jan 14 03:05:04 1990 It supposedly works from any of their online terminals.. And i know that the first two i have are correct... Because the tech was a nice guy and told me. Anyway what does he give a fuck... He doesn';t work for 'em anymore. When he demo'd it to my friend he used dialupo access .. So maybe it can be done on some of those weird GTN systems all over the world.. Anyway i lied... it's not all control charatcers :-) But however starts with one. Later, Par Jason 10/12: ^E Name: The Blade #64 Date: Mon Jan 22 13:16:59 1990 ^E = Telex if you are talking about that. 11/12: TV Name: Cassius Cray #135 Date: Tue Feb 06 06:57:39 1990 Did any body see that show "Beyond 2000" where they talked about Computer Crime? They showed this guy who tapped into a bank computer got it to give his computer the digital tone file of the ATM and then he recorded them on audio tape, pasted the tape on cardboard ATM sized cards and got tens of thousands of dollars ... The Service Secret showed a stack of cardboard ATM cards by the hundreds... I taped the show it's an Aussie production and comes on Discover channel (shows you how exciting my life is)... Cassius Cray 12/12: i know the show.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Feb 06 13:31:20 1990 interesting story.. wasnt it < Electronic Banking Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {Radio & Electronics Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Radio & Electronics 18 - 32 msgs > 1/32: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 22:44:33 1990 This sub is for the discussion of electronics, radio and cellular communication. Mentor 2/32: Idea Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Tue Jan 09 21:18:56 1990 Here's one: everyone knows that when you hook up a 9-volt battery to a relay switch it throws of lots of AM radio waves...all over the band. I WONDER what would happen if you made one of these babies,wrapped it in duct tape and threw it in someone's sattelite dish! You just knowsome poorrepairman will have a ball trying tofigure out why there's not picture! grey owl 3/32: cable Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 15 22:28:41 1990 Is anyone familiar with cable de-scrambling? I'm interested in building a tuner that will let me pick up Showtime, Playboy Channel, and Cinemax (I have HBO). How difficult a prospect is this - or is it even possible? Mentor 4/32: Austin Cablevision Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 15 23:50:22 1990 You can't do it. Not on our system. We have two way cable...totally interactive, down to the point where they know what house each box is in. Kinda sucks...you can only grab HBO & Showtime for free, as they are the only one blocked by traps. All the other premium channels are controlled by the fucking cable company from their feeds. BIG DRAG. {Remember when cable was new, and you could just run out to the damn box and remove all the traps, and you'd have every channel? ->ME 5/32: Hmmm not sure but... Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Tue Jan 16 00:37:51 1990 Hmmm lloyd not sure but in cali we had the same way but my friends father (an electronics engineeer for Radionics alarm co) developed a box with a chip in it to automatically tunbe to some weird freq. anyway probably not the same sys as u guys.. but i know u can do it with a sat dish..heard of a guy who designed a chip that snagged the nearest other persons descrambling code and fed it to yours. remember.. It's not what u know it's who u know.. Eh COMRADES? heheeheh Later, (Not a fat communist pig) Par Jason 6/32: Linear/AND MORE! Name: Ripper #51 Date: Tue Jan 16 03:12:46 1990 Hello..... I'm into radio stuff too (Pretty good, cause I'm also a Telecomminications Major.) If you want to cause havoc with someone radio equipment with major QRM a good approach is to make a good pink noice generator and hook it up to a high gain AF amp and into a small AM transmitter and drop it nearby the reciver. The power output only needs to be a few hundred mw to really make reception a problem, because while the tranmitter it's self is low power, it's still the strongest signal, and since it's being over driven, the band width can be several hundered Khz. We used this on people in out area who "DEAD KEY" or otherwise make themselves an obnoxious source of noise. Sure, while they are making all their noise it won't bother them, but until the batter is removed or dies, they just recive crap. Also, on a related note, my favorite if to get as close to an offending station as I can and just cause massive RFI with my linear. The subject will still hear me even with his radio turned off, I generate engough power in my mobile to drive coil in speakers, phones and other electronics without them being on (of course, with their audio amps on, it's even worse, because the RFI will creap into the amplifications stages.) Anyway...current radio project, a 1200 watt linear amp I'm making for an AM and SSB base station I'm making. Also, trying to start a little radio conv on a small system in San Diego, if interested 619-660-6734, minimal plug, I hate people posting numbers on my system...so... Anyway, radio stuff...I know a bunch, and I have all kinds of info from 5mw to 2KW, AM, FM, SSB, CW, DSB, 180 Meters to 75 cm....although, I am not a HAM...I can do my best to help out with anything. 7/32: jesus Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 16 07:42:19 1990 dont ever let me hear you complain about cable tv at least you got it and besides... im on the other side Phoenix your sincere israeli traitor yawn 8/32: cable grabbing in austin.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Tue Jan 16 11:45:16 1990 yes it can be done. go buy a scientific atlanta controller box from a cable distributor, cost about $100. pull the top off, pull the roms and get yourself a 8048 cross-assembler to look at the code. the routines that control the identification of the user are easy to find, right near the top of the code. just go in and play with this code, insert nop's for example, and enable all the decoding, it is done in hardware,and you have what you want. 9/32: jamming... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Tue Jan 16 11:51:53 1990 you should not use a pink noise generator as it's power spectrum falls off at the higher frequencies on a given channel. you should probably use a gunn diode oscillator, a white noise generator w/ equal power bandwidth spectrum, followed by a set of linear amplifiers. another good source of noise is a spark gap. this can be generated by using a high voltage transformer, i use a jefferson electric luminous tube transformer 721-121 12kv @ 30mA output. jefferson is in bellwood ill. what you do is connect the input to 110vac and the output to a couple of rounded probes. the distance between the probes is adjusted for the best spark. watch out for the ozone this generates because it creates free-radicals in your blood which is a carcinogen. these can also be used to make jacob's ladders or tesla coils. 10/32: Well..nuff of this crap./ Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Thu Jan 18 03:32:01 1990 Well phoenix.. i don't know whatthat statement about YOU being a traintor was about... But as for me.. i have no desire to sell out my fucking country. Even though they may be so stupid as to think so. When i'm trying to help them out by monitoring a russian debug port. And using it to dump the pad mem (Which was WORTHLESS anyway) Let's get one thing straight.# I love my country. (even after all the shit they've put me through) And i love my freedom (which they will eventually take away from me i assume) But i would never sell them out like those CCC scumbags did. i Love my family and friends too much to jeopardize them by selling secrets etc. and would never FD label mysel;f the way you labelled yourself. (traitor) I think you should learn (and hope u do soon that we are just a bunch of kids FDwho gKt too good.) (I.e. becasue tFDhey couldn't stFDop us from doing it.. and once you excersize a muscle it tends to grow and prosper. so we've gotten out of their control.. don't jeopardize your country just because u are good..or your friends avd family Because in the end...The gov't agencies will know everything about it. And you'll probably enFDd up like that poor bastard in CCC. (i don't know about you guys but pouring gasloline on myslefFD and being lit on fire is not my way of committing suicide) And anyone who tells me HE REALLY did commitFD suicide.. Try to step back and look at the situation. Dealing with the KGB and CIA..DO YOU REALLY THINK SO? Anyway that is why i have never broken into military comps and nevr will.. sure i may break into communist coujntries systems but , i don't break into ours "just coz i'm CURIOUS" tahts the stupidest thing u can do. FD Trust me on this one.. Par, Jason 11/32: seems to me... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Thu Jan 18 10:40:10 1990 that breaking into a communist country computer is a lot more dangerous, those folks dont mind shooting you and to hell with miranda, whereas this country will at least give you a trial. a small chance but a chance never the less. 12/32: Treason & Government Smegma... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 19 02:06:13 1990 It's the Major SS buzzword these days. Treason. If someone if poking around in ANY system they feel is sensitive (although they leave sysdiag unpassworded, or lp password lp, etc..) they will then label you as: "A Serious Threat to National Security!" Give me a break. Hell, I think my association with Par & Phoenix alone is enoough to get me the firing squad. I haven't even done anything, but it seems that everything bad that's happened I keep getting brought up, as I know such and such, or I somehow know EVERYTHING about how such and such happened. Well, I've tried my best to be good, and stay out of government things, military things, etc... I've even edited out the "sensitive" things I've run across in the Telenet scanning just for their sense of well being, but if I begin to feel threatened, it's all going out. Unabridged. We will see...I'm already getting nervous...the feds are already pissed that LOD is still kicking, and this bbs must have SLAMMED it into their faces. And I know that the EFT files must have pissed them off as well, although that may or may not have anything to do with this bbs suddenly going back up. Well, I'm not a threat to ANYTHING, except myself maybe. Anyone who knows me knows that. Back me up people. This is my public announcement of not-guilty to any and all crimes against the Security of the United States. So what if I was scanning 2502 a while back? Anyone ever think that it would be in THE INTEREST OF NATIONAL SECURITY to hop into a Soviet system? I thought it would. Par knows what I mean. Hell, The government now seems to think he's a spy, and want to shoot him. Killing Teenagers for fun is not my idea of constructive problem solving guys. Take an extended course in the ways of the hacker. That education might do you all a world of good. You may even pick up something you missed in your little weekend getaway training seminar in fighting computer crime. When you come and kick in my door, (don't step on the cat), and if you don't blow me away first, maybe I can educate you all a little better on what is REALLY GOING ON! (This message posted for the Secret Service & CERT, et al. whomever is posing on here, or reading this via Mentor's & My own Data Taps) ->ME 13/32: i personally agree.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 19 06:46:21 1990 umm... all i have to say is that certain people who have not got half the education that specific security people have had are bypassing their years and years of education in an hours work.... maybe there is a lesson or two to be learnt there... but then if we get shot... you never hear our story.. Hell... if i get blown away by a firing squad... ill make sure that certain things happen... insurance is beautiful... Phoenix Jacking oUt. 14/32: . Name: Frame Error #5 Date: Fri Jan 19 15:07:20 1990 I am not treasonist, and never will be. I have to laugh at the stupidity of some of the people you (yes you, SS) send out to raid a hacker's home, or investigate a certain something. I hear stories from friends who have gone down, and I can't help but bust out laughing. Really now.. You should get a real training program going if you intend on keeping up with us. Sure, it's easy to get one of us, but what are you going to do about the rest who are still thriving above the system, and your observation? As you can see, even after three key members of the LOD went down, the group is active. I rest my case. FRAME ERROR 15/32: also... Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 19 19:25:55 1990 If the SS is supposed to protect systems, they would scare the hackers out of NOT messing with the system...not bust him. That just makes the others so mad that they decide to ravage the system he got busted on...I know I have and will. grey owl 16/32: also. also. also.... Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sat Jan 20 09:36:30 1990 Why is the SS saying everyone is in LOD? Why are they such a pain? Why are they so fuckin' stooopid? Why aren't they protecting the president or catching counterfiters(sp) like they're supposed to be? 17/32: ravage Name: Ravage #19 Date: Sat Jan 20 10:48:34 1990 be kool w/ my handle ace. 18/32: well Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Thu Jan 25 12:55:58 1990 I think that I can safely say (for the benefit of those fed tyoes )that Erik Bloodaxe is the most dangerous person alive. sorry Erik. Haha. Boy I cannot wait to see that one in the papers taken out of context... ...fellow computer criminals report with all sincerity that Erik Bloodaxe is "the most dangerous person alive.." Seriously though...well I have nothing serious to say. No shit about getting the chair for even pretending to associatee with Pheonix and Par (looks like I picked the wrong set of friends). say...Pgheonix..any mre articals detailing the infamous Austro-American Connection? HA! pth. 19/32: aha Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 26 01:50:46 1990 Thats the one!! P H O E N I X 20/32: sweet dreams Name: The Electron #32 Date: Thu Feb 01 09:42:53 1990 anyone who is paranoid enuff to believe they have cia/fbi/kgb etc etc chasing after them with large weapons is either: a) a cronic bullshitter, who in the interests of their "image" like to run round saying they are WANTED by federal authoriities. b) a simple minded fuckwit if some1 like the CIA wanted to fuck u up, they fuck you up, they dont wait around for years to do it (But of course some of you are so K-rad the CIA will never find you right? rrriiiggghhhttt.) wake up please. (of course just coz ure paranoid doesnt mean they're NOT after you :-) 21/32: ok.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:15:42 1990 so their guns arent that big... 22/32: Heheh.. Name: Nemesis #122 Date: Fri Feb 02 00:15:22 1990 No, their guns are small.....Well the simple truth of the matter is that 90% of all the people who get "BUSTED BY THE PHEDS" are either totally full of it, or just a few quarts low. When someone get real busted, you hear about it.. and I dont mean as a rumor on a few boards and shit. But even more full of it than the BUSTED is the "THEY ARE AFTER ME" part. My god, if someone is AFTER you, and they havent already CAUGHT you,{then v:they must be mo{ing t{mightykO su!l{w... 23/32: ummmm Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Fri Feb 02 09:27:57 1990 Well, Electron, if the CIA wanted *you*, they'd just shoot you. Fortunately, we're inside the states so we only have to worry about the FBI, the NSA and the SS. While I can't speak for everyone, some of the "hunted" people on here are federal fugitives. Yes, they *are* being looked for. I know some others are wanted through phone contact to sympathetic government workers who occasionally clue me in as to what's going on. The bulk of the people who think they're being watched, aren't. But the gov. is going for airtight cases, most of which involves survellience for several *MONTHS* before they hit. Ravage- how does Tempest equip. work? Mentor 24/32: umm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Feb 02 11:08:31 1990 how likely are the CIA to shoot people they want outside the US ? 25/32: uh.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Fri Feb 02 13:09:19 1990 (showing my ignorance) in what context tempest? sorry not familiar with it. if you can give me a idea where and how it is used i can check around and try to get some info. sorry i couldnt just rattle it off. 26/32: Tempest Name: Mr. Slippery #72 Date: Fri Feb 02 23:52:21 1990 The context I know tempest in is the military one. They are paranoid about someone recording the stray radiation from devices and so put them in boxes that shield all the electromagnetic radiation from leaking out. 27/32: oh yeah.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Sat Feb 03 11:19:58 1990 i have 3 monitors sitting right next to each other and it transfers the rgb for my ammy over onto the composite video for the vcr or the 64. it doesnt do it on the mac, different sync rates. never heard of this called tempest, live and learn. one way to do it is to put an antenna on the tv, a rabbit ears is good. then tune to a dead channel, hey sounds like neuromancer :-), and then try to pick up the horizontal and vertical signals. it your antenna is good it aint to hard. the fartherest i have ever gotten it to do it with my system is about 10ft. i dont know if it will work over longer distances. another way that comes to mind is to take just the crt driver circuits and take the inputs to the vert and hor drivers and then put a big wire on there for an antenna. i bet this would pick up the signals for a couple of hundred feet. 28/32: tempest! (hit the super-zapper) Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Feb 05 02:26:05 1990 if par ever calls back he was telling me about a big manual he had read dealing with this type of technology... supposedly an antenna can be designed for a small amount that will work over a great distance, and using an osciliscope to lock into the frequency it can be "tuned in" I dunno...but e-systems, tracor, and others all did major government work in it...Back in like 85 I was digging for info in those companies, but unfortunately I didn't find much that helped me any, or that told me things I didn't already know. ELECTRON!!! Fuck you. I can be as paranoid as I please. And if you feel it is without reason, keep it to yourself, but it is not due to my need for furthering my ego, or because I'm a "stupid fuckwit" if that wasn't directed at me, I'm sorry...if it was, fuck you again. ->ME 29/32: Tempest Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Mon Feb 05 19:59:02 1990 From a source at Tracor: Tempest has several leels, and was designed by the DoD for a standard of radio emmisions on electronic equipment. I know that DEC has some Tempest terminals for saly (at roughly a 100% increase), and that IBM also markets it (through Federal Systems Divison). I am not sure, but I think the top level is 3, and it specifies that there should be NO emmisions within 5 feet of it. I have seen only one terminal, but didn't have an occilliscope at the time (looks a little strange in side of Burlington IBM facility). Daneel Olivaw 30/32: Tempest... Name: Nemesis #122 Date: Wed Feb 07 01:40:52 1990 Yeh, thats the basi rundown on it... You can pick up all kinds of EM siginals, and you just amplify them a lot, and you can pick up all kinds of crap... There was some project DoD was working on, so now things are suposedly designed to meete Tempest standards or some shit fo the sort.. So they wont give off to much info that could be used.. I mean you can pick up stuf MILES away! You can be a good 100 yards from someones computer, and see their screen simply by listening in on its EM siginals....Its prety cool, but kinda big and heavy to carry around.. Also.. speaking of this kinda stuff (which I like a lot).. I was wondering if anyone has ever tried the REVERSE of this? It is entirely possible to send those frequencies FROM you TO them, with such power, that you actually OVERRIDE their dirrect connection siginal! 5-10 wats will do the job from up to 100 feet away! Its prety incredible.. I have never found any actual practial uses for it before (although I have though ot lots of wild things to do with it).....But I can sit out in the van, parked in front of someones house, and brodcast MY audio/vidio right on to their TV screen... The nice thing is, of course, its reguardless of what channel they are on, and even if they are dirrectly connected to cable! 31/32: well... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Wed Feb 07 10:09:07 1990 when i was a kid we used to have fun with the rf modulators out of the old pong games for making pirate tv for the kids in the neighborhood. this seems to me to be a lot easier than trying to take over the monitor at that low a hardware level. 32/32: I just like teh idea Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Wed Feb 07 16:07:49 1990 of RF taps... or possibly RF interfaces... jamming the signal with such power as to make your signal the one recognized... Daneel Olivaw < Radio & Electronics Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {PCs Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Personal Computers 19 - 11 msgs > 1/11: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 22:47:03 1990 This sub is for the discussion of personnel computer software and hardware. Mentor 2/11: <<415/941-8xxx<= CAPAL 11/11: hmmm Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 27 20:30:01 1990 Is that UUPC? If so, what version? The copy I have doesn't seem to function well... (and is shittily documented). me < Personal Computers Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {Altered States Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Altered States 20 - 35 msgs > 1/35: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:27:36 1990 Better Living Through Chemistry. Erik insisted we have a drug sub, so here it is... Yes, Virginia, you can post anonymously! Mentor 2/35: Ya! Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 09 14:53:53 1990 Welcome home kids. I was watching Dead Ringers last night. Real cool flick. I wish I was a doctor. Made me laugh...these two gynecologists staggering around their apartment..."ok, we gotta take a shot of the dimetapp now, and then a little of the dilaudid to chill out, then a bit of the benzedrine to wake up, ok? But tomorrow we kick, right?" Hehe...fucking junkies. Um, anyone seen any GOOD x around? I haven't have GOOD x in ages. Maye the X is still ok, but I'm not. Hmm... Got totally smashed last night. I've gotten on this drinking binge where I only drink straight liquor. Drank about a half-pint of bacardi last night. Passed out, ran into walls, threw up on my floor. Someone really should have slapped me when I decided to drink that much. Kinda weird...I have only been drinking beer for the longest time. (I stopped really slamming the hard stuff a while back) I think I like the beer buzz better. There there really is a difference between the effects of different alcohols. God, I got stoned last night too...I forgot that. Smoked a whole Joint by myself basically. Hm... still feel like shit, but typing is good therapy. ->ME 3/35: Opiates Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Wed Jan 17 20:42:02 1990 Does anyone know where to get any really good opium. Not that Synethetic Sopium you so often find people trying to pass off, and nothing cut down with chlorides or anything. Good shit, the shit that used to be around four years ago. And is anyone familiar with DMT--dimethyltryptamine? What I hear is, "imagine sitting 100 yards from a tree and watching the leaves as if they were inches away --- Every living vivid detail and the rushing freight train sound of them shaking in the wind!". Not that I actually want a drug that powerful. Anyone in Ecstasy (X)? Any good. Usually, I'm just a mary jane man, but opium is a highlight. Something I like to get ahold of every four months or so. Don't want to nullify my opiate receptors, and don't have to worry about it as long as I stay away for long enough. Drugs are good. They cut the dullness of modern day life. Firing my neuro's crazily, presenting a lot more pictures, information, and feelings at a much higher pitch. I think it's worth it. "Not poppy, nor mandragore, Nor all the drowsy syrups of the world, Shall ever medicine thee to that sweet sleep Which thou ow'dst yesterday." Sicilumm Thorne. /? 4/35: Bedrock...Twist..Twist.. Name: The Operator #42 Date: Thu Jan 18 22:54:09 1990 Well, for the good Opium, I know of a whole bunch of places around the US to get the real good stuff...Leave me mail and we'll talk... And as for X, I've still got a good supply up here, although I don't do much of it since my contacts are good for Marijuana..(I've been gettin Chocolate Thai Bud, Kenya Bhang, Panama Red, Kindbud etc... for $45/half oz)...Yeah seems me and Erik have been the same lately...Either totally stoned, or totally drunk..Either way, both on our asses laughing at shit that aint funny... I am real happy with the way people have been speaking out on the legalization of Marijuana to beat the rest of the drug problem...Now we got a new drug on our hands. It's called Special K...Supposedly it's a horse/bull tranquilizer that has the effects of Cocaine, but lasts for like 5 hours...BUT...If you do it and your body rejects it (It could reject at ANY TIME), you will die instantly... Enough blather...Toke up, men! The Operstoner 5/35: Ketamine? Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 19 02:11:16 1990 Jesus...lay off the Ketamine. It's bad for children and other living things. Ecstasy...hehe...now there's a fun night! Last REAL decent batch of X ran through here a month or so. Weird Orange pills. Someone called them pumpkins. (It was around halloween now that I think about it) It was 10-15...but I got it free! hehe I'm going to u/l a few things here for people. Just nifty reading. If the feds come, they better not look under the sink! All that HCl and Lye & Ethyl Ether and the Ephedrine in the medicine cabinet might piss them off. "...while I'm driving off laughin' this is what I'll say..Fuck the Police" Eric (Easy-E) Wright...1988 ->ME 6/35: .. Name: Frame Error #5 Date: Fri Jan 19 15:10:55 1990 Erik - "..Cause I'm a crazy motherfucker from around the way.." "..Straight Outta Compton.." 7/35: .. Name: Silencer #31 Date: Fri Jan 19 18:53:21 1990 Us three may quite possibly be the only people who like rap and own computers TOO. heheh. Cool mutha fucka..word Call me the ice..or just the Iceberg.. - ICE-T/ICEBERG 8/35: re: rap Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Sat Jan 20 17:58:28 1990 RE: .. Paid in Full (Seven Minutes of Madness)- The Cold Cut Re-Mix I like the shit with the samples on it, like off of Ofra Haza's Shaday. Do you wanna die? I was born with a six gun in my mind Id you want to understand Put a six gun in my hand Go ahead and make my day. Sic. 9/35: ... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Sun Jan 21 23:57:36 1990 the cities are melting the sky burns red the oceans are boiling well soon be dead 10/35: Pot or Poetry Name: The Jabberwalky #100 Date: Wed Jan 24 15:54:56 1990 Eric Bloodaxe, my long time friend has started a thing which may never end. He quotes a lyric from a rapping song now people be rappin' on the drug board... dats wrong. WORD By the by, the only reason Erik got the "pumpkin" for free was that he won the costume contest dressed as a FBI guy. Sun glasses, jacket, tie, ear plug, concealed mic, uzi.... He won a toaster and I bought it off him and he used the money to buy DRUGS. Shame. It takes a real man to eat a tab-o-X at about 3 A.M. Anyway lets talk legalization on here. I am sick and tired of this war on drugs B.S. America first got its feet settled by smuggling rum and tobacco to Europe--an illegal venture to say the least in that day. Drugs are the backbone of this country and if they would just legalize the shit instead of running through Kentucky trying to arrest country folk cuz they have some weeds growing behind a barn a mile into their farm.... It is a WEED. How do you think it got its name?!? It will grow anywhere. If they would just legalize and regulate distrubution then the crime and killing would be decreased and the revenues could go into drug treatment centers. Legalize pot, Acid(my lip-smacking favorite), coke, opium, crank, horse, everything! Then you could know who was taking it, how much, and profit from the fact that man is motivated by food, shelter, sex, and INTOXICATION. There is nothing they can do to stop 100% of the trafic which means that when the guard laxes, the shit will start all over again. Let's talk about this.... The Jabberwalky PS: It's nice to meet you all. And it's good to be here. 11/35: Silly boy... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Wed Jan 24 18:02:11 1990 That halloween X was not what I was talking about... I was talking about the pills Brent and his dweebly friend had...geez... Yes, it DOES take quite a he-man to gobble major amphetamines at 3:00 on a Sunday...god, I can barely believe I could musster up the strength to put it in my mouth!!! I'm going to u/l a pretty good article from Usenet on Legalization... I might even start getting alt.drugs and dumping them into a d/l section for you people to read... ->ME 12/35: Mentor! Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 24 19:25:00 1990 Could we see a voite question RE: Drug Legalization? grey owl 13/35: you Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 24 19:46:46 1990 You asked for it, you got it... Mentor 14/35: Ketamine Name: The Prophet #104 Date: Wed Jan 31 16:04:59 1990 I've been tld that Ketamine was given to the Apoll astronauts before launches to give them some feel for weightlesness... Supposedly, it causes OOBEs. Try lucid dreaming guys... Much better than any drug. But if you do use drugs, try watching the movie "_The Ninth_Configuration_. -TP 15/35: lucid Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 31 16:34:41 1990 Prophet- How often are you able to lucid dream? I find that I can't force it, but get about one a week "accidentally." For those not familiar with the technique, lucid dreaming involves a conscious control of a dream. For example, I've had nightmares in which I'm being chased by people (usually in suits... hmmmm) and, while still dreaming, realized that it was *my* dream and I could do whatever I wanted. So I had an Uzi appear and shot them all. Kinda cool. Some people can do it at will. Mentor 16/35: LucidDreams Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Wed Jan 31 16:57:16 1990 There are no willows in the fasting mind. I find it hard to force myself into lucid dreams without a great extent of meditation, which takes way too much time. Anyone really interested in lucid dreams, I recommend two things: Omni, September 1989 ?AND Lucid Dreams in 30 Days: The Creative Sleep Program Life is But a Dream! The Dream Yogis! 17/35: heh Name: Silencer #31 Date: Wed Jan 31 21:48:31 1990 lucid dreams: heh..i have those once in a while.....but for some reason my brain ceases to function normally when i'm in em....ya know? like...i had one where i knew i was in a dream...so i triewd to do something. I made a turtle appear at my feet. Kinda strange huh? Like...i couldnt think of anything cool to do...like create Christina Applegate to come suck my dik or anything.. oh yeah..anyone ever tried READING anything within a dream? weird shit..i saw one cover of a book once...and 90% of it was in like russian or something and one line i could make out said: "Jesus the Antichrist" Heh...god...i have some weird fucking experiances.. 18/35: lucid dreams.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:53:29 1990 yeah i have them also. 19/35: Lucid dreaming Name: Duncan Idaho #99 Date: Thu Feb 01 23:00:09 1990 I frequently am able to do this..only problem is, at some point when the dream is going too good or I have done something out of character I wake up.... annoying considering I have learned to hit deep sleep rapidly... Supposedly Lucid Dreaming comes from irregular sleep patterns.. I dunno but the human consciousness is something nobody knows. DI /d 20/35: Dreams.... Name: Nemesis #122 Date: Fri Feb 02 00:26:25 1990 Yes, with Practice you can learn to controll your dreams as much as you want. However there is a down side to it all (there always is, sint there). If you can controll your dreams it takes a whole lot of fun out of it all. At first its real nedo and fun to be able to do whatever, but after a while, you run out of things to do (as imposible as that may seem)... A real bummer.. And as for the leagalization of drugs. From a strictly historical point of view, I see so many similarities between the "War on Drugs" and "Prohibition". It simply follows that the War on Drugs will go the way of Prohibition. It causes so many problems, and why? Because a bunch of people think they know what is best for everyone. Of course there are good reasons to have drugs illegal. But those are all based around the irresponsible use of drugs. Drugs when used correctly are not dangerous. Its so silly that the No. 1 drug, Alchohol is legal.. Its also the most dangerous. More peopel die from it than all other drugs combined Im sure. People are starting to be responsible about their use of Alchohol, Dont drink and drive, crap of the sort...But people are MUCH more responsible with their use of other drugs. But it doesnt realy matter.. Prety soon people will get sick of all the problems and violence caused by the illegality of drugs and end it. 21/35: dreams Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Fri Feb 02 09:29:38 1990 The strangest dream I've had in awhile was dreaming an entire Calculus test. I'm not talking "I dreamed I took a test," but "I dreamed the exact (and tedious) mechanics of pushing a pencil around and working the problems!" Mentor 22/35: ugh! Name: Ravage #19 Date: Fri Feb 02 13:10:50 1990 that must have been painful. are you into sado-masochism???:-) 23/35: dreams Name: Alter Ego #110 Date: Fri Feb 02 17:07:38 1990 I've never had a problem with not dreaming (lucid or otherwise), thou the one problem I do have is not dreaming. I take meds. that are suppose to keep ya from dreaming, but they don't seem to work. Most of my dreams are WEIRD!!! Not scary just weird, and they do weird shit to me also. Like my pulse when I wake up is somewhere around 130-144 (not very safe for my age or any) and one time my dad walked in and thought I was dead 'cuz my body temp. was so low... Alter Ego 24/35: lucid dreaming Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Feb 03 18:53:38 1990 Who has experience using lucid dreaming to produce an OBE? I have wanted to do this since I knew about it. I always suspected it was possible but didn't think about it much. Wiccans?!?! grey owl 25/35: excuse me?.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Sun Feb 04 10:49:38 1990 just hat is an obe? would you explain it to us 'special' ones? :-) s 26/35: OBE Name: Alter Ego #110 Date: Sun Feb 04 11:02:49 1990 RE: excuse me?.... and that stands for Out of Body Experince... its when you spirt leaves your body and romes... Alter Ego 27/35: erg.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Feb 04 16:05:25 1990 love to know how to pull off one of those..!! 28/35: OBE Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Feb 04 21:21:43 1990 There's lots of ways. Some involve drugs, some just sleep deprivation. My favorite is the macrobiotic. You starve yourself of good food (beef, cheese and anything that tastes good) until you can no longer see. Then you are so damn bored that you just wander right out. Seriously, I'm using the gateway series of tapes. I'm only on tape 3 of 15 but they are pretty helpful. BTW: Ravage, you ARE special :-) grey owl 29/35: things... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Feb 05 02:38:11 1990 an out of body experience can be kind of scary...most paranormal occurrences are not for the faint of heart or the casual experimenter...be careful A nifty thing to try is take a hit or two of some mild acid, and lay down in a dark room with your eyes closed. That will result in some incredible astral journeys. I've decided that since hacking has been ripped away as my hobby, occultism will take it's place. UT's Harry Ransom Humanities research center has an extensive collection of works by crowley, (nearly everything he ever wrote including personal letters!) other books on magic, like Levi's history of magic, all kinds of cool stuff. I've just bought a book by Israel Regardie (who is in crowley's order of the golden dawn, or its current faction) and I am also interested in spells and things like that. THere is a new age book store here in austin on South Lamar that I want to check out. I'm currently reading a translation of the Necronomicon, so I might just end up dead or insane before I finish it anyway... ->ME 30/35: Chakras and lucid dreaming Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Mon Feb 05 04:01:45 1990 I really enjoy lucid dreaming....very liberating. I believe I had an out of body experience, when I spolFDke with my girlfriend, what she had to say matched what happened to me ( I was in her room during the night in an astral/etheral form) but this is really just another beginning! The unified field and the union of the chakras, kunlandini, etc. all are very valid and important things in my life. PR 31/35: hmm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Feb 05 12:19:32 1990 obe might be real useful if they decide to burn me instead of shooting me. Im sure they can be creative when it suits them.. 32/35: Phoenix...burn you??? Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Feb 05 16:59:09 1990 What's the chance of that? Maybe it's different in Australia, but that's too inhumane for the US. Erik--I have a book you might like. Maybe it's under you, but I thought it was very good background reading. Just don't take it at surface value...then you'll be screwed. It's Gavin & Yvonne Frosts _Magic_Power_of_Witchcraft_. Good reading. grey owl 33/35: umm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Feb 06 13:32:21 1990 im not worrid about australian authoritis.. 34/35: OBEs.... Name: Nemesis #122 Date: Wed Feb 07 01:45:19 1990 Well drugs are definatly the best way to go for that...And sleep deprovation also.. Howver, with that, its kinda hit and miss, its very hard to conroll what you do when you are in that kinda state... The Magic Power of Witchcraft is a nice book, but it doesnt have enough on thing like OBEs, etc...in fact, I cant even recall much it did have..hehe 35/35: Lucid Dreaming Name: The Prophet #104 Date: Wed Feb 07 02:47:34 1990 About a year ago, I practiced Stephen LaBerge's MILD technique for inducing lucid dreams religiously for about 5 months. I had maybe 3-5 lucid dreams after about month three, but the ability fades rapidly when you slack off on the exercises. I still have an occasional spontaneous lucid dream, particularly when I take a nap in the afternoons (something that LaBerge noted in his book). Definitely a great experience. -TP < Altered States Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {Security Personnel Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Security Personnel 21 - 59 msgs > 1/59: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:29:45 1990 There are a number of security people on here - some public, some not. Most of them will be glad to talk about what they do and how they do it if you can carry on a civil conversation. Anyway, I ask that any security people on the board please identify themselves on this subboard - most of the hackers on here will be glad to talk about what *they* do if you can carry on a civil conversation! Mentor 2/59: ... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Wed Jan 10 04:06:43 1990 Legion of Feds! hehe...feel free to use that. ->ME 3/59: to: hackers Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 10 19:15:02 1990 Has anyone ever noticed that most systems are penatrated because the people are weak and not the systems? There are so many things that wouldn't be able to happen if it weren't for people who couldn't tell the difference between me and a legitamit customer who had forgotten his password! grey owl 4/59: . Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 11 03:47:59 1990 Yes... Admittedly there are bugs on the systems ,wall, finger, restore etc.. and indeed there are bugs on the networks but most of tese require an account prior to bug enaction. I mean certain specific accounts work almost all over internet..and once on inet you can quite easily get from place to placewit just a single acconut. The only casde where the ystem is to blame exists in unix/.. and even then... it is rather ard to manipulate without a vaid account . Yes.. users suck shit... any good defcon will tell you that..! Phoenix Jacking out. 5/59: ... Name: Silencer #31 Date: Fri Jan 19 18:56:21 1990 What does everyone think of Inviting Lyle Davis here for a discussion. This is the head of COm SYstems (0266) for anyone that doesn't know. )266 seems to be the most widely abused and ripped off LD carrier in the US.. Maybe Lyle would enjoy giving us a littl efeadback..?? - me II 6/59: COSY Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 19 19:28:09 1990 I say nay. Let's not give him any idea how he is being gipped. I have read about (dick-)heads of security that have had no conecption of what a modem is and how people use it to get codes. That just takes some serious short-sitedness on thier part...or blatant stupidity. grey owl 7/59: Cookoo's Egg Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Sat Jan 20 01:05:26 1990 Anyone looking for a good book..check out THE COOKOO"S EGG by Cliff Stoll. He's the guy that tracked the West German hacker thru Milnet into all the US defense systems. It's good reading, but Stoll doesn't have much of a clue about the computer underground. 8/59: ... Name: Tak/Scan #44 Date: Sat Jan 20 01:51:51 1990 Yeah Cookoo's egg is a rad book! but I think it would be KILLER if they made a movie into it. hehe Tak/Scan Sysop of TFD 610-745-1xxx login - spectrum nu pw - gunship 9/59: lyle Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 20 03:09:18 1990 Invite him on. We've already got a couple of telcom security guys just lurking. I assume they'll pipe up when they feel the time is right... Mentor 10/59: Lyle Name: Silencer #31 Date: Sun Jan 21 05:35:02 1990 Well... My budy Traxter is gonna get ahold of him... he will probably give the board a call if he has time. I'm sure Traxter will to....expect a couple new users...thanx to your truly. ahahhaha... God man... you got like 11 users since yesterday....amazing. 11/59: HA Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sun Jan 21 10:39:40 1990 Traxsters a buddy of yours? ge. Anyway i thought the whole idea was abot this board to be open. I mean i thought taht was what Lloyd had in mind.. The object is.. to show them that we have nothing to fear from them. Anyway i'd much rather KNOW who they are and talk to them then to have them POSE as Joe Lamer.. At least then they might get a little more info from me :-) Later, Par Jason 12/59: better Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Jan 21 11:41:34 1990 I think it's better that we just don't know who they are, play it safe and rag all the Joe Lamers...I don't know. It pisses me off that they are busting Phrack I guess. grey owl 13/59: Sec Personnel Name: The Dictator #43 Date: Mon Jan 22 01:35:00 1990 I dunno..Im kinda iffi on it.. I dont like the idea of having security personnel on here. I mean, its good to get their view point (and rag on them in E-mail .. hahah).... But with them on here, in an open discussion, you tend to drop your gaurd after a while...and they pick up on your personality through posts and stuff. Granted, they could do the same thing as Joe Hacker, calling a system...but then he's got all these rules to follow so he doesnt violate your rights. Here, he's out in the open you know who he is..etc..etc.. As I stated before... Mentor always draws a good crowd..and thats good becuase when you have a highly technical question that you cant figure out, you can ask it here...where some of the best reside..then again..you're afraid of asking..cus all the security personnel might be able to tie you to the system your asking about. The circle never ends. The Dictator 14/59: Silly Rabbits... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 22 03:08:33 1990 There are already three or four security people on here, and I know who they are...they will all answer anything you want to ask, if it is relative to something they deal with. If I see anyone ragging on them, e-mail or otherwise, you will get a wonderful "warning" These guys are cool, and don't go out of their way nailing people...well, the people I know on here are not government people...they are a completely different thing. Feds are deranged...normal civilian security dudes are just common guys working 9-5 who just mainly hang out at hotel bars while attending tons of "conventions" Hehe...sounds like a big racket to me...they probably each tell the others to host one, so they can visit a new city each week... "MY greatest fear is that someday, someone will tell me to get a real job" hehe...a quote from some nameless person... ->ME 15/59: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 22 09:30:52 1990 ive always had the policy that if ever an operatorasks me to get off his system... i will.. hell.. these guys are the direct opposite o us.. id love to hearr their viewpoints... coz we can both learn from eachother.. Phoenix 16/59: Hopefully ... Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Mon Jan 22 17:41:59 1990 Hopefully, the learning isn't going to be self-destructive. But I'd really like to hear from the people from security. Why aren't they speaking up? I really don't have a question at this point. What do you all think of the Phrack bust? Do you think its a very legitimate bust (Ahem!)? And would you have led to the same thing if your investigations did not allow you to make any legit arrests? I doubt you're out there blatantly trying to nail everyone too, right? And a interesting question. If you're going after someone who's pretty lethal, or possibly lethal, does it make you nervous going in for a bust? What's it take to get warrants, et cetera. And how far can you go.? SicThorne. 17/59: Hi Name: Jay Stenger #68 Date: Tue Jan 23 14:13:16 1990 Guess I've been hanging out in too many hotel bars enjoying those conventions. I'm not familiar with the Phrack Bust. (Just signeg back on the board... I assume details are covered in another SIG) Hello, Gordon. Nice job on your thesis! For all the disinformation you need, contact me here or at: NATIONAL TELEPHONE SERVICES 6100 Executive Blvd. Rockville, MD 20852 301-230-4659 Jay Stenger, Security Manager 18/59: Security Individuals Name: Signal Type #69 Date: Tue Jan 23 15:05:19 1990 Well it's about time security people start communicating with us hackers. I know we aren't exactly on the same side but I feel they due have a lot of respect and for certain a good amount of questions. For anyone that is interested I'm a friend of The Trader and just got back into calling around. Parmaster I've heard a lot about you very popular name throughout the country. Keep up the good work. As for us being concerned about security people I don't feel any concern is necessary. They do their thing and we do ours. Like the sysop said this an open board and nothing is hiden onhere. 19/59: Hello Name: Sandy Sandquist #49 Date: Tue Jan 23 16:58:30 1990 Well hello Jay, Haven't heard from you in a long time. How are things at NTS. As you know US Sprint is doing fine. I'm sure that will get some response. 20/59: Sandy... Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Tue Jan 23 19:22:33 1990 Sandy, i was wondering if you were having any problems with FTS 2000. ahem. Jason. 21/59: phrack Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Jan 23 22:04:03 1990 Well, as near as we've found out on the Phrack stuff, no arrests have been made. They just got all the stuff from the school computer. They haven't even screwed with their houses. Sounds pretty Nazi to me. Jay, Sandy, nice to see ya'll again! Sandy- How goes the pursuit of Telemarketing scams? Mentor 22/59: Sandy... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 23 23:10:38 1990 Hey, all the Sprint hp's keep changing their logons! See what you can do about that. hehe...just kidding. Ohyeah, I think I still have the cug nui for usibm, so you guys might want to chang that too...I don't need to do an RNOC and dump all your codes...don' use them. Wait, was usibm yours? Or was that hpg1? Hell...telenet mnenmonics are easy to confuse... ->ME 23/59: both Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 24 00:15:20 1990 Both usibm and hpg1..n were theirs. 24/59: Hmmm.... Name: The Apple Bandit #33 Date: Wed Jan 24 04:08:16 1990 RE: ... I always thought that Lyle Davis (26 yrs old), was head of CyberLink system/security thru the company ComSystems, which the owner lives in Fl. hahaha. 25/59: Answers Name: Sandy Sandquist #49 Date: Wed Jan 24 17:13:19 1990 Par----NO! Mentor----It is nice to be back. We still have some problems with telemarketing but not in the same way as we did in the past. Now it seem to be in the area of fraudulent accounts. Eric Bloodaxe----A lot of things have changed over the last few years. USIBM and the HP systems work a whole lot different from what they did in the past. We are still very serious when it comes to any type of unauthorized access or even attempted access. 26/59: all Name: Silencer #31 Date: Fri Jan 26 00:18:53 1990 Well...to a few here Par: Well.. I speak with Pat on occasion..is there something wrong there? I know he has a reputation for being a narc and maybe not the most knowledgable hacker in the world..but I find him to be an easy person to talk with and he has helped me settle a few issues... i dont judge someone by their reputation i judge by how they deal with me.. do you have aproblem with that? Sandy: well...nice to see someone speaking up for once..hmm..yeah..heard about the telemarketting trouble through an AT&T newsline..I personally think AT&T is just to fucking arogant since they have a major share of the market. ALSO... has US Sprint sent anyone a bill for illegal use of the US Operators system? Maybe yer the wrong person to ask..but a friend of mine said a few people were getting calls...hmmm - SIlencer 27/59: Sprint Operators Name: Sandy Sandquist #49 Date: Fri Jan 26 09:38:33 1990 The Sprint operators are part of company called Sprint Services. This now comes under United Telecom Inc. The corporate security department for Sprint/United has the responsibility for security in the sub-company. A lot of the fraud that takes place through these operators is sent back to the LEC's. That which is not sent back may end up the responsiblity of the Sprint/United Corporate Security. I am the Regional Corporate Security manager for the area of United Telecom Inc that US West serves. This area includes Sprint Services in Arizona. Now isn't that about as clear as mud? I hope that came close to answering your question - Silencer As for AT&T, I believe a recent event may have taken a little wind out of their arrogant sails. For those of you that care to call, my office number is 303-297-5318. 28/59: got any jobs... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Fri Jan 26 12:31:12 1990 for out of work computer security technicians going to school for aerospace? spent five years working for ut in security. 29/59: Sandy... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 26 17:32:53 1990 did US SPrint absorb US West? Or are they still an individual company? I'd kind of like to know before I do something stupid. ->ME 30/59: well.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 27 07:39:58 1990 good a place as any to look for a security job.. i spose.. open to ANY offers.. Phoenix 31/59: USWest is still an individual Bell company. Name: Opus #76 Date: Sun Jan 28 11:30:35 1990 RE: Sandy... I should know, I live in their territory (AZ) and they are still quite active, if their dumpsters (ahem) are any indication. [Opus] 32/59: US West Name: Sandy Sandquist #49 Date: Mon Jan 29 09:39:01 1990 US West is a seperate company from US Sprint. US Sprint has to pay them for services such as access charges etc. Just a tid bit of trivia - Does anyone know what Joseph Stalin's phone number was during Lenin's term of office? 33/59: well u must have Name: Ravage #19 Date: Mon Jan 29 11:21:27 1990 been watching that thing that diane sawyer and co. did on the kremlin the other nite. well no i didnt tape it. bummer. 34/59: Well.. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Mon Jan 29 15:38:17 1990 Sorry Sandy don't know that 1. But i had the Iatola Khomeni's when he was alive (sp). ;-) too bad those bastards didn't understand a thing we were screaming at them on the conference.. Much Later (5-10 years probably) Par Jason 35/59: things... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 29 19:25:55 1990 You know, my mother didn't believe me when I told her I had talked to NOriega...he used to love to bullshit with "press" Kaddafy (sp...sorry, no arabic characters on my keyboard) would never talk to us though... The means to cause world-wide political unrest in the hands of bored children! Only in America! ->ME 36/59: Stalin's # Name: Sandy Sandquist #49 Date: Tue Jan 30 14:08:45 1990 122 37/59: I was Name: Alter Ego #110 Date: Tue Jan 30 19:05:19 1990 wondering if any of ya security personal ever knew if someone was Social Engineered?? Alter Ego 38/59: heh Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Jan 30 22:52:30 1990 Well, I know that Sandy is aware of the bad habit Sprint operators *USED* to have of helpfully reading you the last code on their console if you claimed to be from engineering... me 39/59: Social People Name: Sandy Sandquist #49 Date: Wed Jan 31 10:29:51 1990 Alter Ego - As the Mentor stated I am aware of that problem and several others that have been used to acquire codes and other information. Some have worked some have not. A lot of the social engineering that I see now is coming out of the prison systems. I guess these folks have a lot of time on their hands and put it to use trying to beat the system. A Question For All - What would you want to say to a Federal Law Enforcement Agency regarding Hacking and Phreaking if given the chance. I will be speaking to a group made up of these professionals within the next two weeks so hers is you chance. If all you want to do is trash them then don't waste your time, but if you have something worthwhile to say, let it be heard. If you do not wish to post something but want to call, I can be reached at 303-297-5318. 40/59: What is the type of speech? Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Wed Jan 31 14:46:07 1990 Are you tring to help them prevent people from hacking on their systems or what? grey owl 41/59: ... Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 31 16:36:11 1990 I'd tell 'em they can get a lot more done by enlisting the cooperation of people to eliminate holes in security rather than sitting back and *waiting* for people to exploit them. It's far better to be proactive than reactive. And please put in a plug for the board... :-) Mentor 42/59: Proactive Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Wed Jan 31 17:00:55 1990 I'd like to see the same approach to computer hacking that is done in Europe [or used to be done?]. Hacking should not be illegal. Gaining access to weak systems should not be illegal. Destroying, modifying, and reconfigurating data should be illegal. Anything that is done that would not otherwise endanger or destroy, or take from others, anything that does not hurt others, or be more than for informative purposes only, should not be illegal. Idon't know the actual term, but ... 43/59: s Name: Dtmf #27 Date: Wed Jan 31 22:45:13 1990 Sic : I agree with you. I believe that as long as we don't harm anything, or cause any problems, there should be nothing wrong with it... 44/59: well.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:21:27 1990 the problem with hacking as a whole is that once you gain access to a system, whether or not you damage anything, you have trespassed on other peoples property . and when youstart looking thru files it is comparable to opening someones letter box, and reading there mail. i mean i like to hack lots but i understand perfectly well why all aspects of it are illegal.. still... id be prone to agree with mentor.. phoenix 45/59: Hacking... Name: Nemesis #122 Date: Fri Feb 02 00:38:08 1990 Well, one of the main reasons people hack is so they know how to do it. Few people set out to do any damage, and some get carried away in the excitement. But there IS no way to hack legaly, so what can you expect. Someone may do no damage and cause no harm, but they are still breaking the law. And why, because they just wanted to know. Now I know this sounds like the same old Hacking for Knowlage line of crap, but there realy is something to it. I dont set out to trash systems or caus losses, but everyone has their own interests. If your intrest happens to be fones or computers, the only difference between that and other things is that most of what your interested in is Illegal. I mean lest be serious. I think its pretty much common knowlege that many of the people who have the best ideas today were hackers just a little while ago. And Id bet you anything that every last one of them would credit hacking with their major source of knowlage. You cant learn everything by reading a text book, or going to school to learn BASIC. You cant learn ANYTHING that way. The way I see it, Hacking has a GREAT deal to do with the kind of technology we have today. I think before we try and tear down our MAIN source of computer education, mabye we ought to have something to replace it with? 46/59: Legal Hacking Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Fri Feb 02 04:33:15 1990 I disagree with the notion that you cannot hack legally....I do this almost daily on a VAX/VMS system I work with. I have delved deeply into the system and am still exploring to this day. And I would classify it as hacking, because that is what it is in a pure form. IT does not have to be illegal! Why complicate things more.... 47/59: well.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Feb 02 11:11:29 1990 delving deeply into public access areas of an operating system is not illegal.. delving into an operating system is not illegal.. delving into someone elses area of an operating system is illegal.. the boundaries are simple.. of course delving into a system which you have no obligation to be on is illegal nomatter what.. 48/59: They... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Fri Feb 02 22:59:42 1990 might want the definition of hacking changed... it is not any idiot with a computer that knows how to use it. It is someone who is serious about wanting to know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING. The world would be a better place if there were more people like "hackers." At least then people wouldn't say it can't be done, because anything is possible (except getting a tax refund from the IRS...) Also, tehre should be somthing like "punishment fitting the crime." Most hackers (note this), do not destroy/modifiy/alter the data on the system that they are on. The only thing I ever modify is the log of system activity (and other things such as that) to cover my trails. Lastly... get the "phreakers" out of the hacker name... they are completely different people. They cross the lines often, but they are in it to rip-off people, not for hte information. I want to know everything about the phone system, since it seems know one else does (including ATT). That is a "hacker" desire... it shouldn't be illegal. Daneel Olivaw -- Speaking up for what ever the hell need to be spoken for. 49/59: Very true Daneel Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sat Feb 03 18:49:18 1990 I have often noticed that when I ask someone if they hack (while on a chat system) they will say "Yeah!" and I later find out that they are great hackers or things like PBX's and 950's. That is NOT hacking. That is scanning. The so-called phreakers of today are usually 13-year old kids with nice computers and hard disks full of the latest pirated software. These are the same people that get busted for calling Alliance meet-me conferences. Hackers tend to stay away from sleazy chat systems like QSD, but manage to call altger or tchh while trying out a pad. The hackers do what they do for the information and thrill of finding something out about the system. I guess you could classify the original phreakers (the ones with blue boxes, paper and pencil) as phone hackers. grey owl 50/59: Magazines Name: Captain Crook #36 Date: Sun Feb 04 23:24:35 1990 For anyone who hasn't gotten this magxD yet, get it. It is Data Communications. I am looking~r for the following: 1) Voice Mail Systems 2) Teleconnect 3) Digital Review (aka Digital Data) If anyone has names, numbers, or addresses get back to me.~r /l~rist ?}i}ixDE_}i}i{_ Z~r{_xD 51/59: CERT Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Feb 05 02:46:59 1990 Who specifically is CERT? Are they a government agency> Are they just an investigative task force of computer urus? Are they able to bring up charges? Why are they at Carnegie-Mellon? Why are they coming to UT? some security person fill me in. ->ME 52/59: IDEA! Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Mon Feb 05 11:56:00 1990 how about some of the security personnel posting a "H/P most wanted list"...it would be intersting to see how people are categorized for their crimes. I would prefer a more "Hack" list than a "kkk0de killer" list..if it is at all possible...in that I dont really care who is number one on sprints hit list (sorry Sandy) pth 53/59: umm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Feb 05 12:20:37 1990 well.. i know why they are coming to UT 8) 54/59: cert Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Tue Feb 06 00:27:02 1990 Nuclear fusion related organization (from France I think)... there was a special on PBS about them (the race for top) and 2 other organizations. It will prolly be because of the Super-Collider of they are coming to UT DS 55/59: Organization Name: Signal Type #69 Date: Tue Feb 06 09:47:01 1990 The organization you guys were asking about did bust some kid known as DC Duke of Company P. He s suposed got into a government mainframe and had changed locations of certain things. I don't know the entire case but at one time someone said Telenet was the one that used them most often. It seems strange that yet another government agency is comming into the picture. I mean we have FBI, SS, CIA and local authorities to deal with these kinds of problems. Par strange to see you on here I've heard the US government is on your tail for some credit stuff. What's it all about? 56/59: wll.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Feb 06 13:37:55 1990 corrct m if i am wrong.. butcrt to my opinion stands for "Computer Emergency Response Team" basically put, thy are the guys you call when a hackre is onlin, and you want somthing done quick. these are not people to laugh at. Most CERT people are fully trained security experts.. and are damn damn good at what they do.. They are based at sei.cmu.1edu, with an any time mailing sesrvice to cert@sei.cmu.edu. Hell, the only time that went down was when threy cut off power to do some plumbing work or something.. still... cert are a government agency.. and are basically arpanets equivelant to a swat team... for computers 57/59: CERT Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Tue Feb 06 20:19:12 1990 CERT is a group of "experts"...to the best of my knowledge it is not a government agency. Ken van Wyck is heavily involved in it, he's the coordinator of the Virus-L interest group. 58/59: CERT Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Wed Feb 07 06:46:29 1990 Gordon is correct when he states that CERT is nothing more than a group of "experts". They act primarily as a clearing house, only. They do not go out and investigate hackers - they are not the secret service, fbi, cia, nca, etc... They provide information on security tools and workshops for industry and government alike. They usually will be at usenix, etc... 59/59: CERT... Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Wed Feb 07 18:29:44 1990 is Computer Emergency Response Team. They are concerned with computer security in general, but concentrate on networks and Unix systems mainly. Richard Pethia is director of CERT (rpd@sei.cmu.edu). As Gordon mentioned, Kenneth van Wyk, 'runs' the digested VIRUS-L, which is a good source of information in general. Look for a g-file soon from Richard Pethia via me about CERT. I sent him mail saying whats the deal with CERT and he responded, I'll upload it soon. Also, according to the Phrack boys, CERT played a minor part in their downfall. It seems when Phrack sent out back issues during the holidays, many folks were not there to receive the files. Systems had problems with file queues and storage. Sysadmins complained to CERT and so forth. -PHz < Security Personnel Q-Scan Done > ______________________________________________________________________________ *** {Phrack Electronic Newsletter Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Phrack Incorporated 22 - 59 msgs > 1/59: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:31:51 1990 This sub is used mainly as a collecting ground for information to pass on to Knight Lightning and Taran King for the Phrack newsletter. Periodically (once a week, hopefully) this sub will be buffered and e-mailed to them through BITNET. If you have any questions or comments, post them. If you have articles you want to submit, upload them directly to the me (go to the transfer section, use the command "Z") and I'll see that they get it. Mentor 2/59: phrackd00dz Name: Ground Zero #30 Date: Sat Jan 13 22:40:15 1990 two guys I met on QSD called my bbs # and claimed to be from Phrakc and "interviewed" me about TCC and other things. They sounded very suspicious. Were these guys the real taran king and knight lightning (as they claimed to be)? -GZ 3/59: The phrack twins... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Sun Jan 14 02:06:41 1990 don't call QSD and don't call bbses...I think they will call here once in a blue moon, or else I will have to start e-mailing them the messages... Ms. Zero, you were taken in...I hope you didn't tell them anything worthwhile... ->ME 4/59: Trouble in general... Name: Phrack Inc. #7 Date: Mon Jan 15 01:07:59 1990 Well this will be a once in a rare while kind of post. First of all, that was not us that called your board, GZ. My guess is that it was Mork from New York and his pal, Acid Phreak. Right guys? RIIIGHT. Those are the 2 names that come to mind anyway (QSD...fucking with people...Phiber Optik and Acid Phreak!). Anyway, there's a small problem. For those that mail us on the networks to our UMCVMB on Bitnet or UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU addresses, please stop until further notice. Any and all mail can be addressed to phrack@netsys.com or ...!netsys!phrack or phrack%netsys.com@rutgers.edu or phrack@netsys.UUCP (you get the idea?). Our accounts have been temporarily discontinued although not deleted. We are thus far unsure as to what exactly our crimes have been (although we have a number of suspicions! 8-)) and hopefully will find out tomorrow. Regardless, the phrack@netsys.com addresses are mail forwarders and should reach us eventually. I (Taran King by the way) am going to be getting a new address on the networks. I'll mail anyone who I communicate with once I get it. As for Phrack 31, it's sort of in the works. We have a number of articles for the issue already and the PWN stuff is going very well. Bloodaxe! How about those articles??? Anyone else, as Mentor said, please upload them to him and he'll get 'em to us somehow. Drop us a line if you haven't already and are on the nets. Randy 5/59: ... Name: Phiber Optik #6 Date: Wed Jan 17 17:47:49 1990 Randy, Craig, shut up. I have better things to do than make believe (God forbid) that I'm YOU guys. Jeez. 6/59: UMCVMB Accounts Name: Phrack Inc. #7 Date: Thu Jan 18 08:47:06 1990 Hi this is Craig. We lost the accounts for "something about a newsletter dealing with telecommunications." The university did not feel it was in the pursuit of education or academics. They also received at least 17 letters of complaints from other system managers because of the recent Back Phracks project that was conducted over the Winter Break. The problem was that some people requested all 30 issues and their mailboxes over flowed because they were not getting on over the break. This caused problems and attracted attention and thus it caused problems for us. According to people at CERT at least one person who was a subscriber has lost their job over all this. I could not find out who, but apparently it was someone who was "on thin ice" already. CERT also said that they were recently flooded with letters from people commenting, complaining, or just inquiring about Phrack. The Internet community is stirred up in general. "phrack@netsys.COM" still works and I am collecting my mail regularly from other accounts I have on the net. These problems will NOT affect Phrack distribution (altougth it might hurt collection of files if people don't remember to mail us at phrack@netsys.COM and still try to use UMCVMB). :Craig PS- I guess the moom is blue today. \es 7/59: Shit. Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 19 02:16:59 1990 CERT has been flooded with Phrack Questions? Now that's smart. Anyone who knows anything should have just asked you two. That's shitty. Like CERT doesn't have their own problems dealing with "Internet Crackers on the Loose" and crap like that. Things must be slow at CMU that they have to bug harmless things. Hell, it's not like Phrack has been publishing ZARDOZ mail for fun. I think you should chat with the powers that be and get phrack set up as a newsgroup on UseNet! There is a BIG demand for the damn thing, and it would be easier for everyone to get, and you wouldn't have to send it all yourself! It would (or should) wash, if you let some Internet BigWig moderate it. Hell, It's usually about as big as RISKS is in a month, and if you put it out monthly, the load wouldn't be that bad. That's MY feelings about the situation. ->ME 8/59: .. Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 19 13:03:43 1990 I second the notion. It IS a good idea. grey owl 9/59: Of course ... Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Fri Jan 19 16:14:22 1990 RE: .. ... of course, if more PC-based systems ran Fidonet, they could FREQ it from somewhere. [here?] [FREQ=FileRequest] 10/59: FREQing Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Fri Jan 19 19:29:08 1990 Is there a Fidohost that carries all the Phracks? does it have a phone number?! (I want DETAILS) grey owl 11/59: xxx Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Sat Jan 20 01:10:45 1990 RE: Shit. I seriously disagree that publishing Phrack is not an academic pursuit. Depending on how up anal the computer center is I bet you could get some faculty member (maybe not even in computer science...try somebody in the sociology dept ) to "sponsor" or at least vouch for the thing. Hell, I'd do it. 12/59: umm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 20 08:02:35 1990 All that i have to say is that i am damned pissed off that the phrack boys got busted.. They were doing a damn good job... Phoenix Jacking Out.. 13/59: @#)*( Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sat Jan 20 09:38:08 1990 I hope someone else will pickup where they left off..... 14/59: FidoHost Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Sat Jan 20 18:05:12 1990 RE: FREQing Well, it appears that Phrack has perhaps seen its last days? I don't know a lot about whats happened, or going to happen, but the future looks dim on that subject. Of course, there's no reason for others not to try and continue. Can they actually prove plagerism in a text file with everyone using aliases, and no proof of original origins? Anyhow, back to "re: FidoHost". As far as I know, there isn't, but that doesn't blackline me. I'd be damn interested in hosting such a system. I've got the system, I'm fidonet, and the IFNA doesn't dare blacklist me. Besides, being a PhrackHost, even if they found out, wouldn't mean shit, there is no Fidonet bylaw that says I cannot support it actually. And beryond that, I could host the whole thing, putting the newsletter into the News Distribution echoes. Its good reading. [Besides, I'll put a bogus filter on the front of the TIC]. Whatya think? If Mentor would give me some time to get the Phrack's they're as good as online. 15/59: >>picking up where they left off Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Jan 21 11:45:13 1990 Maybe the PP should start a magazine similar to Phrack. I liked the professionalism that Phrack put into a hacker magazine. I would be willing to help gather articles and write/edit news or articles. Someone needs to get in touch with KL and TK about us continuing Phrack if they don't come out of the trouble ok... grey owl 16/59: Phrack and why it is dangerous.... Name: Phiber Cut #34 Date: Sun Jan 21 13:15:09 1990 Has anyone ever tried to figure out just what it is about Phrack that has everyone up in arms? Is it the Phrack Profiles? They're interesting (I guess), t so what? Perhaps it is the Phrack world news? Naw, just a compilation of stuff from the news paper, mass media, etc. Geeze, wait a minute here. How about this - the articles on Networking are so advanced. Maybe it scares the shit out of them. Maybe they think.... 17/59: Maybe they think... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Sun Jan 21 22:35:34 1990 that we know more about Telenet, Tymnet, LMOS, COSMOS, Primos, VMS and UNIX than the people runnning the systems... it's true, we have to know more, and since when has pure information been illegal? It's what you do with it that counts.... hehe I'm willing to write for a new Phoenix edition of Phrack if it comes off... but then I'm all for moving SumerCon to Dallas (closer to me...) Daneel Olivaw ./s Damn, I hate this command set... 18/59: Information Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 22 03:15:59 1990 Information is DANGEROUS...and cannot exist in the hands of a dangerous element if the government says so, thus, information is supressed to individuals on a very biased basis. Gee, that's what America is all about. Hell, someone better get over to the national archives and tack that on at te end. "Noone will be allowed to learn more about something than we say they can, and noone will have access to any information we say is too important to let them know about, as all men are created equal, except those who are more equal than others." Hell, let's scrap that whole freedom of speech thing too, Chris has a big fucking mouth and might open someone's eyes when he gets nailed and makes damn fucking sure that he makes 60 minutes... Supress supress... let's make him a non-person...big brother is our friend... Ignorance is strength War is peace Freedom is slavery... Blow me then... ->ME 19/59: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 22 09:32:42 1990 i told you that you and your reedom o speech was a bunch of bullshit oh well.. say what you want... go for it... but get shot in the meantime.. god i love australia...! Phoenix 20/59: constitution Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Mon Jan 22 14:22:48 1990 If I were KL or TK I would be screaming "1st amendment voilation" grey owl 21/59: Phrack etc. Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Mon Jan 22 21:58:02 1990 I do recall an article or something that was taken from another source. I also recall that the source was identified and that the author's permission was granted. This may not be what the SS was looking at though. I have a friend very active in civil writes, I am going to ask him about entrapment laws and laws pertaining to transmission of information etc. and see what he digs up. I think hes a member of the ACLU too. While I'm at it, it so happens that I have a friend who is security at UMCVMB. Ill tell him about a 'rumour I heard' about UMC and the SS. Those of you that don't know it, there is an internet address where you can write and your mail will be forwarded to the IDH (Internet Directory of Hackers). I believe Terminus has set up the PHRACK@NETSYS.NETSYS.COM account this way. Later days... -PHz 22/59: I think... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Mon Jan 22 22:40:51 1990 it'll all turn up in the next Random House book.... Daneel Olivaw PS: Erik, you'de makke a 'interesting' book... 23/59: Erik Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Tue Jan 23 19:25:31 1990 erik: you'd definitely make 60 mins. hell, they still want to talk to me about that little ole saudi arabia citicorp card thing :-) Jason. 24/59: Arg... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 23 23:14:06 1990 60 minutes...gee...lil ol' me? Gawrsh fellas that's darn nice of ya' I an toying with an idea of interviewing a ton of hackers from my past & present, and making a big ol' file about them...Another chapter in the book I suppose...eh, Loyd? Maybe an APpendix... ->ME 25/59: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Wed Jan 24 01:34:33 1990 i guess itsa price we all have to pay 8-) 26/59: Hmmm... Name: The Apple Bandit #33 Date: Wed Jan 24 04:16:25 1990 Dont Steal; The government does not like Competetion... The Last Freedom: The Freedom to FLEE.... Tell you a little story: I was walking through a very dense forest along the path, Well I came upon a fork in the path, I took the path less traveled by; and that has made all the Difference. 27/59: yeah Name: Silencer #31 Date: Fri Jan 26 00:25:29 1990 Yeah...on that path you get attacked and torn to shreds by wild beasts..barely anyone has been able to actually get to their destination by that path...if you know what i mean... just when they are almost there and doing quite well..they usually end up getting eaten alive. On with the Techno-Revolution! On with Phrack! On with the fight! We've come farther down the road than ever...on down the road! - Silencer 28/59: Yes... Name: Sicilumm Thorne #28 Date: Fri Jan 26 08:24:51 1990 Yes, as I stated on the General Messages Forum, I see no reason to stop Phrack. All of KL' s and TK's work would go down the drain for what ... nothing. I mean, I don't think making a mailing address for submissions is the "right" idea at this time, but there a PLENTY of people who could back-alley issue some good editions. I'm willing to put my "umphft" into it to keep the standards that KL and TK started. I see no reason, none at all, NOT to continue releasals. For if they take Phrack down, what's next, Pheonix Project . They cannot knock us down that easily. There are more of us (brains to brains ratio), and we're smarter fast, and a little more curious. Anyone who's ready to start Phrack 31, or have PHrack 31 started, count me in, I'm willing to start tommorrow if the proposal is made. 29/59: well.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Fri Jan 26 12:36:17 1990 seems to me one way to get input would be to put up posts in different cities about u/l text files. then call back on a regular basis and d/l them like a regular curious user. then every few months compile what everyone has, say at this bbs, and then put it out. while it might take some time to do it could pay off. might cover such stuff as breaking copy machine protection, copy protection crack schemes for different games, source listings of programs, newspaper articles, security info for computers, anarchist articles, etc. it would allow contacting all these groups all over the country and getting info from them in return for info from other groups and paying it back by distributing said info. one way would be to add crack screens to games that would in general tell people how to input to the group. maybe a list of bbs's in larger cities? 30/59: phrack 31 Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Fri Jan 26 16:35:38 1990 Hasnt phrack 31 already been started? Maybe someone should try to get it from TK & KL... DS 31/59: Like I was saying... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 26 17:36:13 1990 Don't be flag-waving phrack everywhere...and please don't start ranting about phrack31 beingput out by "whoever" It's not yours to put out. I will call Craig after I hang up, and by the end of the weekend, we will know what going to happen, ok? ->ME 32/59: Phrack Name: The Prophet #104 Date: Fri Jan 26 18:03:29 1990 Could someone please clear this up for me -- have R&C been charged, or not? I If so, what are the charges? (Add any other information you care to.) -TP 33/59: rc Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Fri Jan 26 19:34:19 1990 No, they haven't been charged with anything yet. Craig has a meeting with his lawyer tomorrow, we'll know more on Monday. me 34/59: how about Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Sun Jan 28 00:15:37 1990 continuing the Phrack tradition under a new name...maybe something having to do with the Phoenix Project. This could be the home BBS of it, of course. just an idea! grey owl 35/59: phrack Name: Phelix The Hack #89 Date: Mon Jan 29 12:00:04 1990 Why doesn't everyone simply let Phrack die in peace? I mean it was pretty good at times ..but c'mon! If you feel that a gaping hole has been left in your life at the absence of phrack....well perhpas that particular problem should be the LEAST of your worries. Here is a novel concept...start another magazine!...Tahts orignal! Rather than bickering over the rights as to who owns the name ...(TAP..blah..balh..) or passinfg the responsabilty to someone less qjualified (does noone remeber Crimson DEath?)...simplystart another. I am in no way putting down Phrack...on the contrary I am attempting to at least keep it name alive...untainted. sheesh. pth. 36/59: ahh Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 29 12:26:18 1990 i agree with that.. i mean phrack is none o ours to pick up.. and a new magazine can do the same job..! id countribute quite happily... 37/59: but... Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Mon Jan 29 18:03:46 1990 Phrack was just about the only mag that lasted thru the times... DS 38/59: OK damnit. Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 29 19:31:51 1990 It's not like I have a computer, time, or privacy anymore, but what the fuck...I'm going to compile a new internet mailing list, send out a bulletin to everyone to spread the word that a new magazine is coming out. OK? Me and Loyd will be collecting unreleased files and start shipping them out whenever I get around to it. Start send ing submissions to the sysop directory, or to erikb@walt.cc.utexas.edu ok? Craig wants phrack to remain dormant, especially since it has too many ties to him, and any new surge would reflect bad on him. Prophet...the feds are MAD about the E911 files you sent to the Phrack boys...where exactly did they come from? ->ME 39/59: cool Name: Silencer #31 Date: Mon Jan 29 20:49:42 1990 that sounds good....prophet..i read on some bbs that you were busted or something.....lies?? 40/59: no Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 29 21:27:15 1990 No lies. He was busted. You read it here. Mentor 41/59: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 30 07:23:48 1990 i honestly couldnt think of anything more annoying... 42/59: What kind of Name: Grey Owl #10 Date: Tue Jan 30 17:53:38 1990 What kind of files will this ALLEGED new magazine be accepting? I can get up some pyro stuff that I have tested and worked out some problems with. Interested??? Oh yeah...what's the name gonna be? grey owl 43/59: got some ideas... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Tue Jan 30 21:42:04 1990 on making multi-processors systems machine independant using dual port ram. 44/59: nope Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Jan 30 22:53:16 1990 No anarchy stuff. Just hack/phreak/programming. me 45/59: ok Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:21:55 1990 sounds like a good idea to me.. /e arg 46/59: I have... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Fri Feb 02 23:02:21 1990 a three part series in the works (as Erik and Mentor know) about all of the networks in the world.. The series is broken down as follows: 1. The USA (as it covers the most people and I live here) 2. Europe 3. Others (Australia, Far East) I am covering all of Internet at the moment, and whaver of the PSN that need to be covered for that (i.e. Telenet at times). Also, I have a list of all the DNICS (already up), and several other misc. files to offer. I am also considering a file on the 5ESS (as I have a complete set of manuals... I got the others Mentor). Daneel Olivaw 47/59: djdkfjd Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Sat Feb 03 10:02:24 1990 Eric - so you talked to Craig and he said he wanted phrack to remain dormant. Okay, that makes sense. Did he mention any plans of starting it up again later? How're he and R taking all this? Defiantly? THankful they haven't been charged w/anything? Bored? Scared? CIAO! 48/59: Hey... Name: Warf #81 Date: Sat Feb 03 18:28:08 1990 If you guys need some help spreing Phrack everymonth to like the west cost... I'm here now.. hhehehe! I live in the AZ area and I can put it out over there.. Good idea? <=[Warf]=> 49/59: umm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Feb 04 06:01:09 1990 i think easiest way is to just sendmail it to various unix everywhere.. and then have sub distributions off there.. 50/59: Distribution... Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Sun Feb 04 12:14:41 1990 ...of Phrack was provided via LISTSERV. Phoenix's idea is similar to the LISTSERV concept. A distribution site sends mail/files to only the users in its site. Only a few copies are needed to be sent to the distribution points. This greatly reduceds net traffic, which makes the 'stuff' less noticable. However, with LISTSERV, this is an extensive logging system making anonymous distribution, anonymous final addresses nearly impossible. Another possibility is using FTP sites. There are several anonymous FTP sites that allow users to PUT files. One of them being CERT (CERT.SEI.CMU.EDU). Perhaps a combination of both would be good. -PHz 51/59: well.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Feb 04 16:07:15 1990 i think that we should get the damn thing written before figuring out how to get it everywhere.. that will seriously be a small problem.. and you can make it look like it comes from anywhere by forging mail thru smtp ;-) phrack@sei.cmu.edu for example.. might annoy some people.. 8) 52/59: the problem with PUTting Name: Dark Sun #11 Date: Sun Feb 04 17:54:00 1990 ftp files up is that any other anonymous ftp'er can come along and delete 'em. DS 53/59: ! Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Feb 05 02:54:45 1990 The "magazine" will be called MATRIX I want every file anyone will send...I plan on writing some pretty wild stuff myself, not just hack/phreak. Anything interesting, informative, and bizarre enough not to be something that you'd read anywhere else. The distribution will be as follows: Anyone on internet will receive a copy if they desire. THis bbs will have it online Anyone who wishes to distribute it to other bbses The internet distribution will occur from randomly selected sites each issue, and it will send them over smtp to disguise the points of origin. Now: start writing. ->ME 54/59: Busted Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Tue Feb 06 20:22:44 1990 Almost fell out of my chair... come home from work...turn on the evening news.. (local chicago teevee...not the national) and there is a big story aout The Prophet and Knight Lightning being indicted. Also a nice little graphic showing how the E911 info flowed from down south to Illinois...to Knight Lightning at his school. The US attorney must have said a dozen times that this was a case of "out and out theft". They also showed a LoD graphic and talked about how "one must commit an act of computer theft or espionage to become a member of this hacker gang". More later...I'm working in coming up with a transcript of the broadcast. -=->G<-=- 55/59: ARGH!!! Name: Pain Hertz #84 Date: Tue Feb 06 22:28:38 1990 Boy am I ticked... Craig was not an LOD member, and to imply that to be an LOD member you have to break several laws etc. whatever is crazy... Whoever it is that gets the AP feeds, I dont remember who it was, please see if you can upload the one on Prophet and KL. ...and remember... Pain Hertz 56/59: lame lame lame Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Tue Feb 06 23:05:06 1990 Dumbshits. That about sums it up. me 57/59: what the fuck? Name: Psychedelic Ranger #80 Date: Wed Feb 07 04:25:55 1990 Were they pranking 911 or something???? what is this 911 business? 58/59: busted.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Wed Feb 07 10:12:34 1990 call the station and ask for a copy of the video. just tell them you kow of some of the lod members and they are totaly interested in it. heck, might even interview you. 59/59: Looks like the LOD... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Wed Feb 07 16:10:14 1990 name is going down hill... having to comit some horrid crime to get in? I thought you just had to know what the hell you were doing, and be able to truly contribute to the group. Daneel Olivaw PS: Mentor: What was that about having to kill your parents (IT'S A INSIDE JOKE PEOPLE! DON'T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY!) < Phrack Incorporated Q-Scan Done > _____________________________________________________________________________ *** {Private Sub-Board} *** < Q-scan Friends of the Family 23 - 49 msgs > 1/49: This Sub > Permanent Message Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sun Jan 07 05:33:36 1990 Welp, this is not an elite sub by any means, nor is it a place where you can post illegal information. If you have access here, it means that I know you, and consider you, if not a friend, at least a casual acquaintence. Yes, there are feds who have access here. You'll probably know who they are . . . Loyd 2/49: Me. Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 09 14:55:09 1990 I'm glad I'm a friend. Wait, what if I'm not, but only have access here because I'm cosysop? Now I'm paranoid. Ok, as you find you have access here, please speak so everyone will know who is here. ->ME 3/49: k-k00l d00dz Name: Phase Jitter #3 Date: Wed Jan 10 07:32:15 1990 I'm here d00dz. I feel kinda eilte d00d.. Phase (Happy there is something to call) 4/49: Ta-Dah!!! Name: Phiber Optik #6 Date: Wed Jan 10 16:49:09 1990 I'm here too, gosh, I must be elyte. PO LOD00D! 5/49: Hmm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Jan 11 03:49:56 1990 What am i doing here ???/? Oh well... But im not complaining.. Phoenix Jacking out.. 6/49: friend Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Thu Jan 11 21:21:59 1990 Well, you're a friend of Erik's, therefore, "of the family." Loyd 7/49: gawd Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sat Jan 13 09:07:06 1990 God everyone else posted a stupid fucking message saying they are a friend so what the hell i guess i am.. maybe not.. maybe it's because those SS boys and NSA boys think i'm a COMRADE...hehehe anyway who knows... i'm just glad i'm still fucking free. Peace to the world... Bahahaha Jason. 8/49: x Name: Frame Error #5 Date: Sat Jan 13 12:13:59 1990 Just checking in. 9/49: Well, Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Sat Jan 13 20:32:29 1990 well, since this bbs is an official Secret Service setup, we consider you all COMRADES and potential commie-pinko fuckups. You will all be receiving visits from some of our coked-out special agents, who will probably be jones-ing pretty bad by the time they reach your houses, so you better damn well have some cocaine for them! Else, they might just riddle you full of lead, then take your porno & drink your beer! And a few good cd's they might not have already. SO BEWARE...and remember, when you connect to ANY system on the x-25 networks overseas, WE ARE WATCHING! (grin) ->ME 10/49: hmm.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 13 21:10:54 1990 Do i cop a visit too ??? Phoenix Jacking out.. 11/49: zdrasvityeah.... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Thu Jan 18 10:45:15 1990 moy harosho droog. (could we get a cyrillic font on here?) kak ya delayut? (i can never get the right transcription system!) well just saying hi. ravage black leather monster 12/49: Does this mean? Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Thu Jan 18 19:39:27 1990 that I'm a friend? I guess so... Hey Mentor, exactly when is SumerCon? Daneel 13/49: Dude... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Fri Jan 19 02:17:59 1990 You're only a friend since you u/l the uucp packages! hehe...just kidding. ->ME 14/49: i will try hard Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 19 06:48:52 1990 to get to summercon... never can tell... Phoenix 15/49: Hmmm... Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Fri Jan 19 07:16:51 1990 EB: you are definitely right.. i have to contact u somehow.. Something is fucking rotting in Denmark.. (not to mention being rotten) Later, Par Jason 16/49: Da Name: Gordon Meyer #65 Date: Sat Jan 20 00:51:27 1990 Greetings Comrades! Ahhh..shit...the only russian I know is "groodgies" (spelled phonetically natch)...which is "tits". So much for my survival in the big red world. -=->G<-=- 17/49: summercon! Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 20 03:11:23 1990 Ok, since it looks like the Phrack boys got popped, Erik & I will probably continue to plan Summercon. It'll just be moved to Dallas (better hub anyway). Mentor 18/49: summercon Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sat Jan 20 08:03:40 1990 dallas is still damn far away 19/49: Good! Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Sun Jan 21 10:42:43 1990 I hated the weather in St. Louis anyway ;-) Jason 20/49: hell... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 22 03:18:38 1990 Me, Par & Phoenix won't be able to attend anyway...we'll be having "Jail-Con" somewhere...maybe we'll have adjoining cells...HEY! Maybe NOriega will be a fourth for bridge!! Hehe, or James Brown!!! Heeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyy Jump back, gonna kiss myself! ->ME 21/49: To the select few Name: Black Magic #54 Date: Mon Jan 22 04:47:29 1990 Hey! Yes It's Chris (Chris's) roommate. I really like typing anything I have to say because I'm tired of mumbling. In case any of you were wondering, steering wheels taste like shit (and so do milkshakes and soup after a month) so don't forget niggers get the big points, not telephone poles. Aim your car accordingly. Don't hesitate to leave me lengthy messages with anything, even Julia Child's latest concoction or articles from Hustler, because I can't work or go to school so I'm just an alcoholic who sits at home with nothing better to do. 22/49: oh hell.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Mon Jan 22 09:36:16 1990 reckon theyll give us our own terminals in jail ? I hope so... lie would get really boring with out them.. and then wedhave to get violent... Coming really really soon....! The bbs with no name.. o some mainrame somewhere... source is inished... just looking or location.. and i think i ound the ideal one.. may take some heat o some peope or a while.. coz noone claims responsibility or a board on a mainrame.. except me... and then i got diplomatic immunity.. sort of... see you in prison... Phoenix 23/49: Hehehe Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 22 18:36:15 1990 You know Phoenix, reading a post from you is like reading a script from Scooby Doo... no f's... ront o a iring squad.. Rearry Shaggy...Scoooby Dooby Doooooo.... ->ME 24/49: well Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 23 06:55:06 1990 at least its original... one o these days ill fix the ucker.. 25/49: oh well. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Tue Jan 23 19:30:05 1990 And now, the end is near i've traveled each and every byway .. in the word of the king (at leats i think thats the way it went) oh well who cares.. he was a fat shit b4 he dided anyway. to everyone who's been a good friend of mine and help me cover up the fact i don't knwo a fucking thing.. i thank u. and toi everyone else take it easy and hang tough. to those guysin the SS: i don't knwo the first fucking thing about hacking.. (at least i don't remember) and anyway i was temporarily insane at the time (no joke) oh well. see you smart guys at the funny farm. Par Jason. 26/49: Jase... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Tue Jan 23 23:21:39 1990 SHit man, don't drink and think about things like that. It's not healthy. Mentally or physically. Come to Austin. We'll keep you somewhere until we can get something worked out for you. A year in minimum security (Club Fed) is better then chucking a whole life. Hell, youre 19!! Tell you what...if they stick you somewhere not too harsh (with stockbrokers like Reitman (sp) and people like that I'll go too to keep you company...I'm probably going to be there anyway) We both need a good dose of Discipline anyway...maybe the AirFOrce will want us...I'm doing terrible in college anyway. I have discarded the "permanent" solution for good. Dead people can't get laid...people in federal prisons DO get conjugal visits!!! Unless you kill a guard or something outrageous. Think of Florence... call over here at whatever time you read this...Chris & I need to talk to you about something else anyway, but now I can see you are really getting worried, so just fucking call... ->ME 27/49: Dalas Name: Phase Jitter #3 Date: Tue Jan 23 23:39:28 1990 Lloyd, Chris, How about a nother Dalas con! I really had fun there.. 28/49: Doom Con... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Wed Jan 24 18:16:51 1990 Six-Flags, drugs & 14 year old women!!! Dallas was a blast...we will have to do it again. THis time: Dan & LOyd, you will have to try not to be scared of the mall. I know all the lights, bells & whistles seem scary, but video games can't hurt you. Computers are our friends! Hehe...THe doubletree is looking good...I think if we do damn well go up there again, this fucking time we are going trashing whether anyone wants to or not!!! That's what got everyone so scared to begin with (fed wise), so let's give their undercover stakeout people something to do! I can just see two dudes sitting at the fucking holiday inn waiting patiently for us to show up. hehe thank god we didn't...or they would have made us pay their way into the fucking theme park. ->ME 29/49: ---666--- Name: The Urvile #90 Date: Thu Jan 25 18:41:25 1990 so what's been happening over the past few months, eh? phiber optik, you back? jitter? mentor? guess that's more or less everybody from the old crew. i think i'll make it for a dallas-con this next year, assuming, of course, that i'm not in jail. unless you're scared of me being there. -legion of doom, anyone? 30/49: Well... Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Thu Jan 25 19:07:16 1990 Summercon was fun... but i'm afraid i'll have to pass on this one "just right now" maybe in 5 to 6 years. :-( Later, Par Jason 31/49: well.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Fri Jan 26 01:52:34 1990 if i make it... my 5-6 years will be begining too! not all tat bad par ;-) erik... care to join us ? Phoenix 32/49: dallas Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Fri Jan 26 19:35:21 1990 Hell, there was hardly anyone at Dallas last summer and it was fun... Chris & I will begin planning for this year. How does mid-july sound? me 33/49: ok Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Sat Jan 27 12:16:28 1990 How does mid-July sound for DoomCon II? I don't have a calander in my lap, but whatever weekend is closest to the 15th. We'd probably run it out of a Best Western or something relatively cheap (the Doubletree was nice, but most people aren't going have $155 for a room...) We could pick people up at DFW and Love field (we probably want a hotel in or near DFW... So how many people'd show? I don't want this to be a big, open invite thing. Just people we know (and friends that they might bring with them and vouch for.) loyd 34/49: hey... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Sun Jan 28 13:59:25 1990 my birthday is the 15th. sounds kool to me. how about in gelveston? we could visit smash palace south :-) 35/49: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Sun Jan 28 14:23:33 1990 love to show.. but dont like guaranteeing anything 36/49: I'd be there... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Sun Jan 28 22:25:28 1990 and yes trashing is the only way to find out things... I got 2 COSMOS passwords last night... people are in general... stupid.. Hehe... Best Western sounds good to me... hope SouthWest'll still fly there cheap. Daneel Olivaw 37/49: daneel Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Mon Jan 29 02:35:07 1990 Hell, you can pile in the car with me & Erik & Lone Wolf (wish he'd get a phone line again...). Getting there is half the fun! Besides, as the chemical-free kid, you'd probably get to drive! This gets better. "Mom, I'm driving three wastoids to Dallas this weekend. Don't wait up." Rav- The reason for Dallas instead of here or someplace else is because DFW is a hub and people can get reasonably cheap rates. Besides, West End is absolutely too cool, even if you do freak out on it a little at first. 99 bottles of beer in the car... mentor 38/49: dallas... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Mon Jan 29 11:22:55 1990 is ok by me. it isnt any further than galveston and i need to get with a young lady there about a cd copy of heavy metal from japan. count me in! 39/49: Well shit.. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Mon Jan 29 15:45:05 1990 It's happening soon guys.. I wish i coul have bought more time. And worked out a deal. But nada... they are nearby now. i can tell which cars are theirs driving by outside. This is the weirdest case of Deja vu i've ever had. (because it realy did happento me before) Anyway got an interesting call today. It was from Eddie..one of the bell systems computers... It was rather fantasy like... Probably just his way of saying goodbye Eddie was a good friend..smartest damn unix around... and he called to tell me goodbye today (no joke) now i know i'm fucked. thanks eddie it's been real. (whoever you are) "ok eddie, this one's for you" Much Later, Par The ParMaster Jason 40/49: Jase... Name: Erik Bloodaxe #2 Date: Mon Jan 29 19:36:38 1990 Buddy, you are over the edge...lay off the weed. Not everyone with glasses and dark suits are feds. Not all cars with generic hubcaps are government issue. Well hell, I don't know what the hell eddie is, but that's a real bizarre msg. Fly to austin...like tomorrow...got plenty of places to stash you until things can be smoothed out for a calm transition. ->ME 41/49: Dammit... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Mon Jan 29 21:10:00 1990 I knew staying sober (most of the time) would get me into shit like this... hell I guess I could help drive, I say we rent a car though... hehe... no use ruining a good car when we can rent a nice Lincoln for a weekend... hehe... keeps the beer from spilling... Daneel Olivaw PS: Erik, you aren't exactly the best person to be stashing people are you? 42/49: well... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Mon Jan 29 23:18:31 1990 how much would a three day limo rent be? can we get a beemer from hurtz or avis? 43/49: eehh.. Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Tue Jan 30 07:25:59 1990 hmmmmmmmm... what is young par up to ? 44/49: Talked to... Name: Daneel Olivaw #9 Date: Tue Jan 30 18:34:45 1990 several places today about getting a Taraus SHO (you know, the one with 220hp), but they said "You must be crazy." The best I could do was about $29/day with unlimited miles and that was for a nice Mustang GT... hehe Daneel Olivaw 45/49: You know you are screwed when. Name: The Parmaster #21 Date: Wed Jan 31 14:26:04 1990 Surveyers survey your neighbors regularly, and wear sunglasses when i't like 11 degrees and cloudy as hell out. When an AUTOMATED Customer Name and ADDRESS Lister calls you and tells you your address. The same cars keep driving by outside day and night (been thinking about providing coffee and doughnuts) This is getting really fucking ridiculous. Oh well, i guess i could say "Things could be better" Jason 46/49: heh Name: The Mentor #1 Date: Wed Jan 31 16:37:04 1990 Ummm, I wear sunglasses when it's 11 degrees and cloudy... so you can eliminate that one. :-) 47/49: hmm Name: Phoenix #17 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:22:46 1990 at least you arent getting shot at 8) 48/49: why dont you .... Name: Ravage #19 Date: Thu Feb 01 10:56:04 1990 just go out and say hi to the nice gentleman? if i kept seeing the same people tooling around my neighborhood i would activly check them out if they seemed weird. 49/49: jump 'em Name: Aston Martin #133 Date: Tue Feb 06 18:04:55 1990 What you could do is go out to one of the vans sitting in the street (you know, the one with the two guys sitting in it all day) with a pair of jumper cables and ask them if they need a jump, you've seen them sitting there all day and you thought they were stuck. Hell, why don't you take 'um sandwhiches too. Aston P.S. Thanks for letting me join the family d00dz. < Friends of the Family Q-Scan Done > << Global Q-Scan Done >> _____________________________________________________________________________ *** {Directory of Downloadable files online} *** Sysop - #0, 5 files. ==================== MSCFILES.ZIP: 204k :Miscellaneous files... RSH .C : 6k :source code or rsh command on unix bsd 4.3 CRUNCH .C : 15k :unix password cruncher..keep quiet and compile with -DFDES ANSIDRAW.COM: ASK :ansidraw AUTONET1.SCA: ASK :first autonet scan - just a sample to see ormat.. Source Code - #1, 4 files. ========================== DES .LZH: 7k :Data Encryption Standard - DES - 'c' source code CD .COM: 10k :VAX DCL file for changing directories (by The Mentor) CRYPT .C : 3k :A fast version of the UNIX Crypt. Fairly secure. VAX-XMOD.FOR: 60k :VAX XMODEM implementation in FORTRAN System/Software Documentation - #2, 2 files. ============================================ TAURUS .TXT: 25k :taurus command processor instructions for cyber 170/750 X25SPEC .TXT: 104k :Specs for an X25 connection. IBM Programs - #3, 5 files. =========================== ASYNC11 .ZIP: 27k :Turbo Pascal 5.0 Async package. FEATURES!!! CONFIDE .ARC: 82k :Confide Encryption Program PRIVATE .ARC: 18k :Private (DES) Encryption Program TM-DEMO .ARC: 213k :Demo of Telemail TM-TUTOR.ARC: 151k :Telemail Tutorial Commodore Programs - #5, 4 files. ================================= VIRUSX .ARC: 19k :virusx 1.2 virus elimination utility. ARC . : 50k :arc file compression utility ZOO . : 41k :zoo file compression utility HP-11C .ZOO: 33k :hp11c emulator for ammy, nice! 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ARCed comp.dcom.telecom - #10, 6 files. ======================================= TEL .5 : 6k :TELECOM Digest Vol. 10 Issue 59 TEL .4 : 32k :TELECOM Digest Special: List of Telcos TEL .3 : 4k :TELECOM DIGEST Vol. 10 Issue 53 TEL .2 : 8k :TELECOM DIGET Special: Kevin Poulson TEL .1 : 16k :TELECOM DIGEST Special Edition on Computer Crime CC .TXT: 9k :Computer Crime Carrier Scans by NPA/NNX - #11, 7 files. ======================================== 214-767 .TXT: 6k :214-767 --govt exchange 222 .NNX: 3k :carrier scan of 1-800-222-XXXX (WATS) 310PREFX.TXT: 5k :An old scan... 451 .NNX: 1k :carrier scan of 512-451-XXXX (Austin) 473 .NNX: 2k :carrier scan of 512-473-XXXX (Austin) 836 .NNX: 3k :carrier scan of 512-836-XXXX (Austin) 976EXCH .TXT: 2k :An even older scan... Network NUA Scans - #12, 2 files. ================================= DNIC .TXT: 9k :Complete listing of DNICs for the world MISC-NUA.TXT: 34k :miscelaneous NUA and chat system. (I got these memorized! ARCed Anarachy Files - #14, 2 files. ==================================== ATI46 .TXT: 25k :ATI issue 46... ATI .ARC: 204k :Activist Times Incorporated Files #1-31. Newspaper & Magazine Clippings - #15, 6 files. ============================================== POULSEN .TXT: 5k :Media-hype account of Kevin Poulsen (Chic Trib, Jan 21 '90 RFC1135 .TXT: 76k :rfc1135 on the internet worm CAPMDNT .TXT: 8k :A file about Captain Midnight CCC .TXT: 3k :Update on CCC/KGB trials... CLIPS .ARC: 72k :An assortment of newspaper clippings about hacking. WGN .ARC: 74k :A transcript of a WGN radio show on computer hackers. Files listed: 89 ______________________________________________________________________________ Copyright (C) 1993 LOD Communications. 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